Comment on Are there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?

pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• tfm@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Why would this be division?

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  • sunflowercowboy@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • tfm@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I haven’t written anything about excluding other genders. It’s only about a women centric place with additional moderation protection and administration and moderation by women (and yes, these can also be trans women or even men admins and mods if the group decides so).

      But why excluding men or anybody else from participating, as long as they stay on topic?

      Division is made when you divide the people.

      Having a space for women by women isn’t division. It’s about creating a safe space.

      Just in general already against the massive structural issues with Lemmy

      What structural issues?

      It is a group of people who like to constantly divide

      Isn’t this normal human behavior? Still doesn’t mean that people are enemies because of splitting into different groups.

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  • pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Oh, read the title.

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    • tfm@europe.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “Are there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?”

      Where is the division?

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      • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Where’s the division? It starts and ends with the “…for women” part.

        By women, sure that’s not divisive at all but if something is being set up specifically for one gender it’s inherently divisive.

        Don’t get me wrong, I understand why women would want it, but at the same time describing it as non-divisive doesn’t work.

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      • pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        by women for women lol just change it for other noun by white people for white people You see the problem here?

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• ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ask the people who make shared spaces uncomfortable for particular groups of people.

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  • pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What does that even mean? What kind of spaces and how you are supposed to be uncomfortable?

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    • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s the sexist comments, boomer humor, male-centric views, the mansplaining, the chauvinism, the micro-aggressions, lack of empathy from a lack of perspective, the oversimplification without nuance, etc. All that generally makes women uncomfortable and sometimes it’s a bit much. Sometimes you want to forget those exist and focus on what matters to you with like-minded people.

      It’s the same for us gay folks. I know I can’t just bring up whatever gay topic in a straight group where not everyone can relate, offer their first hand experience, or might find it weird because it’s not part of their lives.

      Trying to concentrate similar people to discuss common topics is, at the very worts, a constructive division.

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      • pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You say minimizing, I say maximizing. If you don’t have strong and solid arguments you can’t ask for safe places, what the hell is a safe place to start with…

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    • ameancow@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I can’t tell if your question is in good faith or not because of how awkwardly it’s worded, but if you’re asking how women can feel uncomfortable online, you’re obviously not a woman, so enjoy that I guess.

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      • pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I can’t imagine and no one explains. If my words are weird, yours are buzzing my brain also…

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• callyral@pawb.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s not division. It’s federation, what the Fediverse is for.

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  • pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well, there are Feds that ban other Feds, I mean you are free to do so, but it’s division…

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• misteloct@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Women need a space to communicate with other women, men can’t completely understand the unique experience, challenges and culture women have within literally every culture and sometimes we need only those who understand to listen. Men, be an ally to women and shut up, let them have a safe space.

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  • pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, not buying that.

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• FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s a Midwest focused instance and I wouldn’t call that division. They’re not trying to exclude East and west coasters. They don’t hate southerners. It’s just similar people gathering to talk about the things they have in common, which in this instance are midwesterner things. It’s the same for women. It’d be nice to have a place to talk about things that women have in common and experience that men don’t. If it was anything like the 2XChromosomes subreddit then men wouldn’t be banned, and plenty of men comment, it’s just that the topic of conversation focuses on women and women’s experiences. Having a place for people, especially women, to talk about women’s issues and experiences isn’t anymore divisive than having a midwestern instance or a European instance. And it would be a good place for men to look into to learn more about what life is like as a woman. If men feel they don’t have a place to talk about men’s problems, then they should also make an instance specifically for talking about men’s experiences

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  • pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I agree, but you shall not criticize if men want to do that. You don’t have the right also. The problem is there is a lot of people that does the same…

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• stevedice@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Because of you.

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