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• Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Artists whose whole career depends on the whims of social media giants have dug their own hole.

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  • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Easy for you to say. Are you even an artist?

    Small artists need a convenient way to get their work to the eyes of regular people. If their self-hosted gallery is seen by no one, it doesn’t facilitate their career. They generally can’t afford to buy ads they generally and are not popular enough to get a fan made groups spreading the word everywhere else.

    Not to mention that this is such a callous attitude in general. Because you in particular aren’t susceptible to this manner in which wealthy assholes are screwing people, then it’s their fault for needing it?

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t make money as an artist, but I live with two of them. They both migrated to Mastodon, with my technical assistance, and left Twitter before Elmo bought it.

      Bear in mind I’m not the previous commenter, but I believe what they were saying is that the writing was on the wall over a year ago, and there are alternatives. Artists and computer geeks tend to get along with each other, and so most artists should have a techy friend that can help them with exposure online. I understand that switching platforms is inconvenient, and tiresome. Looking at it from a tech perspective however, it’s a better ROI.

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    • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      they made a home on a platform once, they should be able to do it again. Staying on xitter or whatever is just kind of nonsense at this point.

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      • Zeragamba@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        audiences will rarely move from platform to platform. For content creators, we have to go to where our audience is, or provide an incentive to move elsewhere. That’s the main reason why there hasn’t been a decent competitor to YouTube, Twitter, nor Twitch. The audiences there are entrenched.

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      • uberkalden@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m sure if there was a platform they could jump to that would sustain their career, they would

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      • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes, and generally how that goes is from a point where they are just making art as a hobby to one where they rely on their audience to pay the bills. It’s not such a trivial thing to start over.

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    • Mdotaut801@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Get their art into the eyes of regular people? Umm. Are artists like, more special people or something? Lol. I know that’s not your point but that’s how it came across and I couldn’t focus on anything else and started laughing.

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      • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What do you mean? If it’s about not being “regular”, it’s in the sense that most people don’t depend on their stuff being seen on social media to make a living. They are just browsing as a pastime.

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    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      do you take pride in being the final stragglers left at the bar that’s now a nazi bar? That’s twitter now.

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      • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Fuck right off with that self righteous bulshit. A lot of people there are doing more to push back against Nazi propaganda than your sorry ass does here.

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  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As they say on the Grumpy Old Geeks podcast, don’t build your house in someone else’s backyard.

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  • JoBo@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    *had limited choices as to which hole to dig

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• Heavybell@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m not an artist but I know a lot of them and basically only use twitter to follow them. And honestly, the ball is in their court. I see a lot of them complaining about shadowbans and it being impossible to grow a following. But nobody wants to jump ship to a place without an audience.

  The problem being there will be no audience sitting around a new platform waiting for a show to start. They need to start double posting, IMO. Being the change they want in the world. They don’t have to quit twitter, but posting content to twitter and mastodon (for example) would give their audience a reason to move, would give them a chance to grow, etc.

  There’s even apps like PostyBirb that can do the multiposting for you.

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  • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes, and many of them do that, but for most the audience on other platforms isn’t enough to drop Twitter yet. They can join every single alternative but they can’t make others do the same.

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• mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Again, what about small artists whose careers depend on their social media following?

  hope the artists like playing the Nazi bar, because that’s twitter now.

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  • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What a cool comparison to make towards all the minority artists who might be left without a living.

    But I guess you just want to moralize rather than have actual empathy.

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    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      artists that think playing a nazi bar are fine aren’t artists I want to succeed.

      If you don’t love fascism you’d be in the same situation.

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      • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Cool thought-terminating cliche. So you really don’t give a single shit for minorities in a hard situation if they don’t sacrifice their livelihood out of your weird sense of moral purity. I hope you pay Fediverse artists pretty well at the very least.

        Calling a platform of hundred millions of users a “nazi bar” as if they could pick a different venue the next street is a massive understatement. You also don’t seem to realize that if all these small artists move, those nazis can still have a lot of influence over clueless people who remain there because they haven’t realized what’s happening. But rather than seeing the risks of widespread radicalization and the value of challenging it, you’d rather call everyone a nazi and not think about it.

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