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Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

It means you don’t know what good music is (and I mean that kindly), and by using these services that were trained on real musicians’ art, you’re feeding yourself garbage while helping normalize art theft.

Music is mathematical. The chords, the rhythm, the time signatures—all of that is based on math. There’s a hypothesis that there’s a (large) finite number of songs that can be created, due to this fact. If you are enjoying something produced by AI, it’s only because it is utilizing these mathematical patterns. However, there’s a big difference between AI “music” and music produced by real artists.

The AI can follow a pattern, but it’s not creative. Music isn’t just making patterns. It’s also about telling stories through sound, and that’s not something AI can do, because it has no experiences to draw upon. It can’t comprehend what it means to be human, and it doesn’t have deep thoughts that drive it to create.

So if you like something from AI, figure out what genre it is and look for real artists in that genre. I guarantee you’ll at least find something in the indie scene that fits what you like, and you’ll be supporting real art.

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Emmie@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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- Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Then rather than going to AI, which again only supports art theft, go to a forum like Lemmy and ask for some suggestions. I think you’ll find music lovers are more than willing to offer suggestions.
  
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  - Emmie@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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    Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Because it doesn’t just “cannibalize shitty pretenders.” It steals from quality artists as well. This is not moral virtue signaling, it’s a fact, and if you don’t like that fact, take it up with reality.
    
    It’s not about whether AI can make good art. It’s about how it got to that mediocre point in the first place. It’s about how nobody is offered the chance to opt out. Do you need to memorize, store, and reference every Studio Ghibli art piece to figure out how to paint or draw in that style? Probably not.
    
    And if you want to pull rank, I got my studio art degree decades ago. Don’t pretend that just because “you’re an artist, too” (or that you’re learning about art) that it absolves you of your complicity in supporting open theft—by billionaires, no less. And if you plan to become an artist someday, don’t be so naive to think that you’re somehow better than those “shitty pretenders” or that it won’t affect your livelihood, too.
    
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ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

Music isn’t just making patterns.

Oh but it actually is, and there’s been loads of studies kn exactly what combinations of chords and transitions people generally find pleasing to listen to. Thats also why you can play literally thousands of popular song from throughout modern history with the exact same 4-chord pattern. This is extensively utilised by so-called “hit makers” when producing for this exact reason, is is near universally pleasing to listen to.

It’s also about telling stories through sound,}

To some, sure it is. But to the music industry in general it really isn’t, it’s about making a catchy tune (usually by method mention above) to make some money. It’s a sad reality of the industry, like it or not.

It can’t comprehend what it means to be human, and it doesn’t have deep thoughts that drive it to create.

Again, the vast majority of music hitting mainstream channels is pretty much cookie cutter production with no deep thoughts behind it, despite being made entirely by humans.

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- Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  Oh but it actually is, and there’s been loads of studies on exactly what combinations of chords and transitions people generally find pleasing to listen to.
  
  Okay, pedant. Perhaps I should have been more specific by using the word “melody.” But those chords you mentioned aren’t all the same. They might be the same notes, but they’re all played differently, with more or less expression, with varying tempos, etc. There is math and theory and even marketing studies involved, but Music is more than just notes strung together in a pattern.
  
  It’s a sad reality of the industry, like it or not.
  
  Okay, but I’m not talking about the industry. I’m talking about music in general, of which the industry is a single part. AI might sound similar to or use some of the same pattern-following as mainstream music, but that doesn’t make them equivalent, just nominally parallel.
  
  And focusing only upon mainstream music discounts the vast array of non-mainstream music. There are countless musicians that try new things, that don’t follow the mathematical patterns, that tell “stories.” Most of them don’t make it onto the radio or into movie soundtracks, but that doesn’t make their art less valid or varied, especially when comparing it to AI slop.
  
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