Comment on Are most people here left-wing?

• Purple_drink@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I would like to throw out there that the ACLU is a libertarian organization that would likely line up with the majority of the beliefs of Lemmy users. With that said I understand most people aren’t using libertarian in its ‘correct’ meaning as the ACLU does.

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  • immutable@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Yea I tend to think than when someone identifies as a Libertarian they almost certainly don’t mean a civil libertarian, which is how the aclu actually identifies themselves.

    We have grown from a roomful of civil libertarians to more than 4 million members, activists, and supporters across the country. The ACLU is now a nationwide organization with a 50-state network of staffed affiliate offices filing cases in both state and federal courts. We appear before the Supreme Court more than any other organization except the Department of Justice.

    This is literally the only time the word libertarian appears in their own history www.aclu.org/about/aclu-history

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    • Purple_drink@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I only know because I interned there and it’s something they talked about. Maybe it was always preceded with ‘civil’ I just don’t remember that as well. The big issue amongst the workers when I was there was that in principle they supported Citizens United, and most of the employees did not support it in practice.

      Just adding my experience to the topic, not sure why I got down voted for it. I’m not trying to push anyone to be libertarian just pointing out other ways the definition can be used.

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      • Forester@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        You were downvoted because you dared to question the group think

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      • immutable@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Neat, I appreciate your insight. Upvote from me and today I learned.

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• Forester@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  You realize that libertarianism is not a left right spectrum of the political orientation, correct?

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  • Forester@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    You realize that libertarianism is not a left right spectrum of the political orientation, correct?

    For example Stalin was an authoritarian based in leftist ideology. Hitler is an authoritarian based in right-wing ideology.

    Notice that while their economic goals are at complete odds with one another, they are both authoritarians.

    I’m libertarian because I believe in freedom of choice. I’m not a conservative because the only things I care about conserving are the oceans and the forests.

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    • ObtuseDoorFrame@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      You can’t be both a libertarian and pretend to care about parks and forests. Pick one.

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      • Forester@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolibertarianism

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      • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        That’s not true. I’m pretty sure most people don’t 100% agree with The strictest definition of their chosen label.

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      • Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I’m not entirely sure about what are the reasoning behind your comment, but i see it as : llibertarian implies no state + parks and forest require state = incompatibility. I’d disagree on the parks and forest require state, i thinl they only need organization, meaning one or more NGO could handle it. Accepting this, not that much incompatibility between libertarian and forest remains (accepting libertarian as left wing meaning that does not imply private property)

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    • freely1333@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      You’re about one “and I think healthcare is a human right” from being a progressive/dem soc.

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      • Forester@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I like the Democratic socialists. I don’t like it when they seize power that will be upsurped by the next administration in powerand used to oppress people.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      you forgot to switch alts to argue with yourself

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      • Forester@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        You seem very confused

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