Comment on Are most people here left-wing?

• immutable@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Liberal policies are an actual thing, a thing that leftists frequently disagree with.

  Libertarians are often placed on the right part of the left-right divide. The fact you’ve chosen the label libertarian instead of conservative is animated by the exact same “purity test” that you find so silly.

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  • Purple_drink@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I would like to throw out there that the ACLU is a libertarian organization that would likely line up with the majority of the beliefs of Lemmy users. With that said I understand most people aren’t using libertarian in its ‘correct’ meaning as the ACLU does.

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    • immutable@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yea I tend to think than when someone identifies as a Libertarian they almost certainly don’t mean a civil libertarian, which is how the aclu actually identifies themselves.

      We have grown from a roomful of civil libertarians to more than 4 million members, activists, and supporters across the country. The ACLU is now a nationwide organization with a 50-state network of staffed affiliate offices filing cases in both state and federal courts. We appear before the Supreme Court more than any other organization except the Department of Justice.

      This is literally the only time the word libertarian appears in their own history www.aclu.org/about/aclu-history

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      • Purple_drink@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I only know because I interned there and it’s something they talked about. Maybe it was always preceded with ‘civil’ I just don’t remember that as well. The big issue amongst the workers when I was there was that in principle they supported Citizens United, and most of the employees did not support it in practice.

        Just adding my experience to the topic, not sure why I got down voted for it. I’m not trying to push anyone to be libertarian just pointing out other ways the definition can be used.

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  • Forester@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You realize that libertarianism is not a left right spectrum of the political orientation, correct?

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    • Forester@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You realize that libertarianism is not a left right spectrum of the political orientation, correct?

      For example Stalin was an authoritarian based in leftist ideology. Hitler is an authoritarian based in right-wing ideology.

      Notice that while their economic goals are at complete odds with one another, they are both authoritarians.

      I’m libertarian because I believe in freedom of choice. I’m not a conservative because the only things I care about conserving are the oceans and the forests.

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      • ObtuseDoorFrame@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can’t be both a libertarian and pretend to care about parks and forests. Pick one.

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      • freely1333@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You’re about one “and I think healthcare is a human right” from being a progressive/dem soc.

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        you forgot to switch alts to argue with yourself

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• libra00@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It isn’t a purity test, it’s a necessary accommodation of the fact that people in the US (and I say this as an American) think that the left ends at progressive liberalism, while everyone else in the world sees progressive liberalism as center-left at best because they acknowledge that ‘the left’ extends quite far past the bounds of Liberalism (the philosophy, not the political leaning), because Liberalism is about individualism and property rights but most people to the left of that are collectivist in some way shape or form.

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