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kek@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Great post.
To add to this, not resorting to calling others tankies or Russian bots when you have differing opinions, especially around politics.
Nursery2787@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
davel@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Instance admins have pretty good information at their disposal to identify bots.
I have yet to see any instance admin say that there is any significant amount of bots, outside of the occasional spate of spamming. I only see such theories & accusasions come from non-admins, with no accompanying compelling evidence.
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
well the good news is that everybody - and that includes the US - creates psyops all the time, so that makes it fair.
davel@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
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Cris_Color@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I could be wrong but to me it feels odd to think lemmy is big enough to be worth organizing psyops for.
Not to say it couldn’t be an issue in the future, but it feels much more likely that people expressing pro Russia sentiment are just people who bought into that particular brand of propaganda.
Which like, to some extent all of our individual world views are shaped by the environment of propaganda we’re exposed to. We’re all products of our social conditioning, and ultimately that’s exactly what propaganda is. Media designed to socially condition people to a certain set of beliefs. All we as individuals can do is be aware of it and be willing to look at our own beliefs critically.
But at the end of the day I think the folks praising Russia on lemmy are just people. People I personally think are misguided, but I don’t think theyre generally acting in bad faith any more than the general population here.
Nursery2787@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
[deleted]Cris_Color@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Honestly if anyone is doing that I really feel like it would be the US, not Russia.
Russia’s goal is to sew discord and unballance the populace that drives politics, and for that to work you need a MASSIVE scale that we just don’t really have. They don’t really have much to gain from the IP addresses of a handful of leftists
But Lemmy is exactly the kind of hotspot for people DEEPLY angry about the government of the US to organize that if we’re big enough to be on their radar, the US government would have a vested interest in keeping an eye on potential dissidents. Unlike Russia IP addresses and personally identifiable information would be useful to them, in identifying threat actors, tracking their activity and volatility online, and building cases that would allow them to prosecute should said dissidents escalate
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Lemmy being splintered and opposed to all forms of authority makes it perfect for radicalizing individuals to commit great harm and violence in their community.
All movement starts at the grassroots.
Aqarius@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve had the thought that if I were to design a psyop campaign, a pretty solid option for dominating the discussion would be to come out swinging and accuse everyone else of being an agent. That way, people have to either constantly defend against accusations, or they conclude, rightly, the accusations are baseless and decide to disregard the very idea that there is a psyop going on.
Cris_Color@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
1 billion percent agree, not everyone you disagree with is acting in bad faith
jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
when you’re dealing with fundamentalists or extremists things turn nasty very quickly because you’re questioning their fantasy world
doesn’t matter if they’re good or bad faith, often they will just ban you
saltesc@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
On Reddit, I once bragged about having universal healthcare and got called a Nazi and a communist at the same time.
This is what happens when Xbox kids that use the n-word grow up. They learn new “bad” words and throw them around out of context and contradictingly. They don’t actually know what those things are, though, so it never makes sense.
I’ve been called a tankie here. I didn’t know what it was and looked it up, just to discover it was the literal opposite of the things I was saying. I was very confused and just put it down to frustrated self-projection. At some point they had been called that, it upset them, so now they use it to upset people too but they still don’t actually know what it is they’re saying.
misteloct@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Sometimes they literally just are. Not seen it on Lemmy but on Reddit I definitely interacted with users, age under 1 year, all suspiciously pro-Putin. It’s rare and I’m looking for it, but still.
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
It’s rare and I’m looking for it
Unfortunately not that rare of a POV to find. They just generally don’t do the young account thing. Some are true believers. Others likely state actors. Don’t see as many bots but the greater levels of transparency and lower active population probably makes it less worthwhile of an investment.
TiggerYumYum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
It’s not rare at all. These people are massive contributers to politics subs, thousand plus posts in a year. You’ll see them spamming posts about Israel, denying genocide in Ukraine, and misreprsenting to outright lying if you call them on it. All over lemmy.world and lemmy.ml.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Nah fuck tankies, zero tolerance for the intolerant.
TiggerYumYum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Lemmy.ml and lemmy.world are infested with tankies though. It is probably going to make me leave Lemmy. I’ve already started to discourage people in my life from joining because of how bad political and technological communities are.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Lol. How fucking faaaaar right do you have to be to consider .world tankie.
TiggerYumYum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Oh and I keep getting comments removed by mods just for calling out a tankie, but sure lemmy.world isn’t with y’all.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
If you’re getting comments removed from .world of all places, it’s not because you’re “calling out a tankie”, that’s for sure. I’m assuming it’s more “screeching at a socdem”.
TiggerYumYum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Keep spouting that tankie rhetoric. “Anyone who calls me out for my similarities to MAGA surely are the far right ones!” Lmao
Draces@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I came to Lemmy (lemm.ee originally) with this attitude. Tankies really made me regret trying to be sympathetic too them. It was the most vile interaction I’ve had on the Internet maybe? You shouldn’t call people tankies if they’re not but real tankies are by far the biggest problem with the fediverse and it’s growth
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
yeah i’ve met some thorough tankies recently and wow are they annoying. just completely blind to reality.