we know who they’re catching.
No. No you do not.
whodrankarnoldpalmer@startrek.website 5 days ago
Let’s be real- we know who they’re catching. I’m fine with this. Keep on doing whatever to MAGA trash.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 days ago
fishos@lemmy.world 5 days ago
“We know who they are. We don’t really need due process. I’m not one of those people so nothing bad could ever happen to me so I don’t care”
Seriously, the amount of times I see violations of civil/human rights being acceptable because they’re “the enemy” is really sad. Do you have no self awareness? That’s EXACTLY what they’re doing to you. Stop being a pot of crabs pulling us back in. Be better.
boreengreen@lemm.ee 5 days ago
This is what i’m imagining: Hey and welcome to the kill people yt channel! Like and subscribe. Hey chat, we need money for a new camera. Anyone know any pedos we can go and kill? Sounds like chat doesn’t like this whodrankarnoldpalmer. Sounds like a sus guy. If we reach our donation we will drag him behind our car for you guys. We will be puting this guys fingers on ebay btw, so look out for that.
whodrankarnoldpalmer@startrek.website 5 days ago
Hang on- do you think this is not EXACTLY what will be coming from the alt-right sooner than later? I mean, for your sake, I hope you’re right- I don’t live in the states. Feel free to wait around and see how it shakes out, I guess.
Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
My god you’re thick. The point is that those are exactly the sort of people who are doing this shit.
Triasha@lemmy.world 5 days ago
You think they are going after Maga? Most of them aren’t even going after pedofiles!
whodrankarnoldpalmer@startrek.website 5 days ago
Sounds like an opportunity, then
rice@lemmy.org 5 days ago
No they stay away from their family members, they’re likely just going after people they hate.
snaggen@programming.dev 5 days ago
Well, I get you are trying to state that MAGA people are pedofiles, and I am not here to stop you from that. But you also assume they catch actual pedofiles. However, there are cases where they have contacted people with an intellectual disability, and then you cannot be really sure the person really is sexually in to children, since with enough pushing you can get such persons to agree to a meeting anyway… just because you pushed. Regardless of how awful the crime is, we cannot accept vigilantes.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 5 days ago
This crew also confuses homosexuals with pedophiles, so be careful on Grindr, k?
taipan@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Exactly. Some of these vigilantes are using this act as a cover to conduct violence against LGBT people.
en.wikipedia.org/…/LGBTQ_grooming_conspiracy_theo…
sharkfinsoup@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
Also many of these “vigilantes” are not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. This is a popular subgenre of hate-porn on YouTube that gets a lot of attention. I wouldn’t trust anyone who does this for clout and attention to put in the work that is needed to ensure that they get the right person since you can just about fake any evidence on a YouTube video. This is the equivalent of giving a homeless person thousands of dollars and putting it on YouTube for views.
Zak@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I remember looking up the people To Catch A Predator worked with and reading some of their chat logs. The decoy was always very upfront in giving an age unambiguously below the age of consent in their jurisdiction, and never initiated conversation about sex or suggested meeting in person.
Of course, the decoy would always agree to do so if the offender asked, but the criminal conduct was unambiguously criminal, and unambiguously the offender’s idea. What we see in this article appears to abandon that sort of rigor to manufacture more opportunities to confront someone.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Aka entrapment.
Zak@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Yes, though legally that’s a bit of a grey area. It’s only really entrapment if law enforcement or informants entice the offender to commit a crime they weren’t predisposed to commit. I imagine it would be an uphill battle to convince a judge or jury of that when it comes to meeting minors for sex.
The decoys were careful so that it would never even be a question.
pr06lefs@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
real cops do this too, though not execution style.
j0ester@lemmy.world 5 days ago
The word pedophile is so weirdly used. If an older man or lady meets a 16 year old… their technically not one, but in this day of age… they would be consider one to society…but they would be consider a Sex Offender. Depending on Level 1 or 2… all depends on what they did and if their state (or Federal) will think they will re-offend or not. Most Level 1’s do not.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 days ago
It’s not weirdly used. Society always determines what is appropriate. We’ve decided, as a society, that humans cannot consent until 18. And any sex without consent is rape.
That said, what is weird is that we conflate pedo and child rapist. You’re describing child rapists.
Zak@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Older criminal laws were based on that idea, usually called “statutory rape”. Modern laws about sexual abuse of children usually ignore the concept of consent entirely to allow for more nuance.
One example of nuance is exceptions for people close in age so that non-abusive relationships between teenagers don’t suddenly become crimes when someone has a birthday. Another is that consent is often a factor in the severity of the penalty.
elbarto777@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Get the fuck out, man.
Teenagers fuck each other all the time, consensually.
So there goes your argument about people younger than 18 being incapable of giving consent.
For the record, I’m in my 40s and I wouldn’t go out with anyone below the age of 30, before someone accuses me of anything I ain’t.
I hate predators as much as the next person, but let’s not go over to the other extreme.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Somebody should tell society their laws need to catch up with that decision!
knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 5 days ago
Your society might have in mine a 14 year old can consent and it wouldn’t be considered rape in that case, still a crime though.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 days ago
this guy thinks pedophelia isnt an issue/
whodrankarnoldpalmer@startrek.website 5 days ago
Found the Libertarian
whodrankarnoldpalmer@startrek.website 5 days ago
Speak for yourself.
MAGA would deport you for having the wrong color skin regardless of your citizenship. I’m find with ruining their lives regardless of any crimes committed. This wouldn’t have been the case a couple years ago- but things have changed.
Stupe@lemm.ee 5 days ago
You sound just like them…