The US supplied 80% of the bombs dropped on Gaza.
Do you believe US civilians should be prohibited from interacting with the rest of the world?
Comment on Organic Maps migrates to Forgejo due to GitHub account blocked by Microsoft.
rarbg@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
This post is stupid. The whole reason they are blocked is because Russia invaded ukraine, so the US sanctioned them, so Russian developers can’t use Github, not because “microsoft bad” (true but irrelevant in this case) but because Microsoft is legally obligated too.
Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.
kava@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As a US citizen. YES. FFS, the point of sanctions is to compel a change or deter an action. Americans might pay way more attention when the rest of the world puts us in timeout because of the terrible leadership.
kava@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Research has shown it has historically had very little to no impact on policy. What it does do is harm the lowest rungs of society.
For example a 2019 report on Trump’s Venezeuala sanctions estimate up to 40,000 people died. Mostly poor people who went without healthcare and medicine because the US froze all of the government’s funds and access to credit.
In my opinion, I’d prefer if we just bombed civilians in the countries we sanction. It’s more honest. It really is a form of low level warfare. Something akin to a medieval raiding party
Litebit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is the lowest rung that supports the russia invasion in ukraine.
rarbg@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
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Do you believe US civilians should be prohibited from interacting with the rest of the world?
Yes…? Why haven’t other countries sanctioned the US for Gaza genocide? But that’s also not the point at hand.
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
How the fuck is banning people in certain countries from contributing to small projects like this doing anything but shooting the FOSS ecosystem, which already has a severe shortage of developers, in the foot?
kava@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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whataboutism isn’t some magical phrase that you can utter every time someone brings up hypocrisy
if we’re going to support sanctioning civilians based on their countries breaking international law, then we should not have double standards. otherwise it’s very clearly a geopolitical issue and not a moral one.
and that’s what this is actually about. the US sanctions on Russia are a geopolitical tool meant to make the Russian re-subjugation of Ukraine more expensive. that’s it.
to me, that doesn’t justify banning individuals from participating in OSS projects. anybody that wants to contribute should be able to.
T156@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’re too big to fail. At least, they were, but they’re scaling back these days, so they may be sanctioned sooner or later.
muusemuuse@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I mean, it’s probably in their best interest to avoid us. We are a terrible country.
muusemuuse@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Are you aware of how much open source work comes from Russians? Russians != Russian govt.
tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I don’t think I want my government deciding who can contribute to my open source project.
When Trump gets into a dick measuring contest with a US ally and sanctions them, POOF foreign contributors are gone. Community management, codebase familiarity, and open PRs be damned. It’ll kill open source projects.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Fuck russia. Honestly this post makes Microsoft, Github and USA look good, and Organic Maps look bad. Organic maps should ban russian developers from contributing.
I… don’t follow. How does this make the Microsoft, Github, and USA look good? The policy here is absolutely stupid.
racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Me too. I presume half of the votes on this comment are upvotes because they only read the first half of it.
Can you please explain how to come to such a conclusion of your second half, OP? Like you saw, we really don’t follow.
Mongolianhamster@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Russian bots down voting you.
This is how sanctions work. Don’t like it? Get your government to stop invading Ukraine.
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Proceeds to use open source tooling with numerous contributions from US-based software developers
RandomPrivacyGuy@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Get your government to stop invading Ukraine.
How about we get the american government to stop supplying Israel with bombs they drop on Gaza? Oh, I guess that’s too much effort.
Mongolianhamster@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I agree because I’m not a fucking American
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Not a Russian bot. Diem voted it because GitHub is still a poor choice to host open source on nowadays. It’s like someone saying “It’s stupid that such and such switched to renewable energy instead of fossil fuels because they believe the world is flat. The world is not flat!” It’s really missing the forest for the trees.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Moving off of GitHub is still good, even if you believe their reasoning behind their reasons is incorrect.
forrcaho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Upvoting for the concise summary of what the article is about (thanks!); not for the opinion expressed (which appears to conflate Russian developers with the actions of the Russian government – something I find problematic at best).
rarbg@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Nothing personal against russian FOSS developers. They should be blocked (sanctioned) from contributing until the sanctions are stopped.
lumony@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
Remember kids, racism is always okay if it’s against the right people.
rarbg@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I have nothing against Russian developers. But I do think they should be completely isolated and blocked from the outside world. That’s the whole point of sanctions.
sudoer777@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
By your logic developers in the US shouldn’t be allowed to contribute to free software either, after all the US is committing genocides and threatening to invade other countries
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well, yeah. That’s literally the point of sanctions.
rarbg@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If some country will sanction US that is hosting FOSS, absolutely. That’s not mutually exclusive with this.
Litebit@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
yes, we are free to block US developers.
lumony@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
You’re causing more harm than good.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
no.
Syrc@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That makes sense when it harms business being done in that country, people’s opportunity to find jobs and stuff like that.
But blocking people from working for free on open source projects where there’s nothing to be gained is harming progress, not individuals or countries. That’s not what sanctions were made for.
themaninblack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If we would have taken the same line on say biology or mathematics we and the Russian people both would have been worse off.