I would argue that Friends does not hold up so well. It still has funny bits, but it’s also quite sexist and is homophobic and transphobic (while also being one of the few big shows to even talk about gay and trans topics at the time).
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
HEY IT’S FREEEEED!!!
Guys. Remember that? Remember Fred? That’s how we’re going to look back on todays social media content. It will be cringeworthy embarrassments. Meanwhile go watch Fraiser. Go watch Friends. Go watch The Office. Hindsight is 20/20, but those shows hold up decades later. Do you think “Dance hype craze” video 574 is going to be something we remember fondly in 2040?
Holy shit. 2040. I’m going to be so old. My knees are going to hurt.
kipo@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
masterspace@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
That stuff comes up occasionally but like maybe there’s an issue once a season or so, it’s not going to be distracting episode to episode.
The bigger problem their imho, is the laugh track. It’s just weird watching a show with a laugh track these days, especially when modern comedies have learned to use that time to cram in way more jokes. It just makes friends feel somewhat archaic and out of time, even compared to Seinfeld which objectively looks much older from a cinematography standpoint
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
We must see things wildly differently. I remember Ross having a lesbian wife, and she had a lesbian partner, and they were always written as strong characters. The closest thing to homophobic is they’d make little jokes among the men about how they appear to others. And then they’d say something like “Oh, don’t do it THAT way!” And then the 3 guys would go “HEY! WHOA! OK!” as if to say that the way they were doing it looked gay, and they didn’t want to appear gay.
Which I don’t find homophobic so much as it is insecure, which was the whole joke. Their insecurities in themself is the joke. Not a hatred of gay people.
I don’t remember any mentions at all about trans on the show. I’m not even sure the word “trans” existed at the time.
The only sexism I remember is the football thanksgiving episode, and the poker episode. But the sexism itself was the joke. And I think they played both sides fairly.
kipo@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Chandler’s “dad” was trans, but they didn’t use that word. I don’t remember if they ever put a hard label on that character, but his dad wasn’t just a drag queen. Chandler’s growing acceptance over the course of the show was a positive, but the jokes made were not.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Not sure why you used airquotes on dad, but yeah. I totally forgot about that character. I see your point now.
Flamekebab@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
I have fond memories of Weebl and Bob and Charlie the Unicorn...
itsathursday@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Ooooh that’s dirty
cdf12345@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Do ya think so?
monarch@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
No but GMM had been producing content for over 10 years and they are still looked at fondly.
If you don’t like that example I won’t say they are the greatest works ever made but their are so many indie animators that are making whole shows and uploading them for free on YouTube that many people will remember fondly.
Go look at James Lee’s channel. He would never be given the freedom to do the weird style he has on tv.
humiddragonslayer@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Dropout, New Smosh and even most of the video essay YouTubers that are on Nebula would like to have a word with you
Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
“Badger, Mushroom, Snaaaaake” on the other hand ages like fine whiskey.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Well, I know I remember the Hamster dance website fondly, does that count as a dance hype craze?
I also remember many Youtube videos from many years ago with some amount of nostalgia, e.g. Chocolate Rain or Mocha in “His First Broccoli” or the Yogscast series Shadow of Israphel.
I know some old shows and movies hold up well but others are pretty bad too. And the newer ones have an even worse ratio there.
As far as cringe goes, I think some of the series you mentioned, like Friends, has a good percentage of that too.
ratel@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
Yeah whatever brings positive nostalgia to people will be looked at fondly. I remember early internet fads and viral websites in a positive light that are just as dumb and transient as whatever viral content is being pushed out today. People view things in a different light and some kids in 15 years time will get nostalgic about Skibidi Toilet and talk about how “Dance Hype Craze” fell off after video 983.