Comment on Why would an all loving god create hell?
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 year ago
Your parents probably love you unconditionally, too, that doesn’t mean they didn’t punish you when you misbehaved growing up.
Except the difference is that in this case your parents know literally everything and you are only capable of doing things according to their plan.
So if you misbehaved, your parents already know you would, and also exactly how, long before you were even born, and it’d all be part of their plan.
So… Why are you being punished again?
Thus far, I do not think I’ve seen the letter J anywhere in this post so far.
The letter J was invented in the year 1524.
Which means Jesus, Jews, Jerusalem, Justice, Justify, January, June, and July were all invented either in or after the year 1524.
Until someone tells me how to research those terms before the invention of the letter, I choose to believe Jesus never existed and was made up in the year 1524.
We literally have manuscripts of the Bible that are dated over a millenia before that date. The Bible wasn’t written in English or Latin. The new testament was written in Koine Greek. Jesus’ name is Ἰησοῦς.
Here is the Bible compared to the original text, your requested source of research.
In fact, Jesus name doesn’t begin with J in most languages.
In Arabic, it is Isa. In Chinese, it is Yesu. It was originally “Yeshua” (using latin characters to represent the greek and hebrew)
Yeshua travelled east and became Yesu, then the Y was dropped in some places. Esu to Isa as the vowels warped.
It gained an S on the end and traveled west, would have been pronounced Yesus, as J was pronounced equally to Y… until it wasn’t in English. Kinda like José in Spanish is pronounced like Yosé. So when it was written down, Jesus became pronounced Jesus.
Interesting. Very valid reference link.
Thank you for sharing 👍
Yehoshua.
Also, that doesn’t quite answer how the other words I listed were actually spelled or pronounced prior to the year 1524.
It all seems a bit sus to me, as if someone in 1524 injected a letter into the alphabet just for the sake of altering the historical narrative and making it harder for future generations to learn the truth, however it was written.
You’re making a dumb conspiracy out of nothing.
I was curious after reading your posts, so I looked up the most famous person I know out of history from the period of ancient history with a name starring with “J”. Which is of course Julius.
And I found this, which goes a long way to explain a lot about the shape of letters and how they were used. This was answered on a stack-exchange for linguistic history:
“(linguistics.stackexchange.com/posts/…/timeline)
As others stated, on monumental inscriptions, the name of Julius Caesar would look similar to
IVLIVS CAESAR
However, saying it was “spelled with an I instead of a J” may be misleading, because ‘J’ as a later innovation did not arise from thin air: while ‘I’ and ‘J’ were not distinguished in Roman times, they existed as graphically distinct variants of the same letter, which always looked more like ‘I’ in capitals, but could sometimes look more like a (dotless) ‘ȷ’ in everyday cursive script.
The distinction was originally just a matter of natural variation within people’s handwriting, but in time, a habit tended to form where the first and/or last letters in a word may come to stand out more, resulting in ‘ȷ’ being used more often than ‘ı’ in those contexts, just like a better-defined ‘v’ would stand out more than a more fluidly-written ‘u’. I think this pattern can be observed in a few of the Vindolanda tablets for example. I consider it somewhat natural for the first bit of handwriting to be written more carefully or incisively than what follows.
In the case of ‘ȷ’ (often called the equivalent of “long I” in several modern languages), the distinction may also have been influenced by the standardized classical Roman habit of writing a longer ‘I’ to indicate that it was a long vowel, something they routinely did in inscription too, and which was unique to ‘I’ as the same indication was given for other vowel letters by writing an apex above them, at least when useful to reduce ambiguity. This use, in any case, is distinct from the specific shape and use that ‘J’ later evolved into.
Another letter that often underwent shape/length changes depending on position in Roman cursive was ‘s’, and this distinction also survived into modern times as the long ſ, this time used within words whereas ‘s’ would be used at the extremities. Since this also appears in Caesar’s name in both word positions, we can reconstruct the way his name would typically have been written in Roman cursive by approximating it, at least in concept, with the modern lowercase form
ȷulıus caeſar
Perhaps because words that begin with ‘I’ or ‘V’ in Latin are statistically more likely to use those as the semivowels /j/ and /w/, rather that the vowels /i/ and /u/ which are more common in the middle of words, eventually — but well after Roman times, and partly after the Middle Ages — ‘J’ and ‘V’ established themselves as semivocalic forms, while ‘I’ and ‘U’ remained for the vowels, and since the informal cursive distinction in “glyph length” became systematized as swashes in printing, this was no longer just restricted to handwriting.”
Okay. Why don’t people spell it right then?
So much supposed respect for a dude that died around 2000 years ago, you’d figure he would deserve the respect to at least spell his name right…
Culture. The translation is so popularised now that the only people who call Him Yeshua are restorationist hippies
It’s not like the Bible was translated to English until centuries later when England became a thing. You’re complaining about a letter in an alphabet that wasn’t relevant yet.
Hebrew: יְהוֹשֻׁעַ יֵשׁוּעַ
Greek: Ἰησοῦς
Aramaic: Iēsous
Latin (maybe you’ll like this more?): IESVS
See how we get there?
Because English and whatever language the Bible was originally written in aren’t the same? C’mon man. You have to be going out of your way to be this ignorant.
No parent would ever punish a child for an eternity.
Some would if they could. But then, those are probably not good parents.
Solumbran@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The idea of punishment is to prevent further misbehaviours, not to throw shit back at the kids. The goal is to teach the proper behaviour.
But hell is supposed to be eternal, and as such there is no evolving from it, making it not a punishment but a torture.
Now if you believe in torturing kids who misbehave just for the sake of making them suffer, that’s something else.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 year ago
The threat of punishments stop people from doing things. God told Adam and Eve that if they ate that fruit, they will surely die. They did it anyway. Hell exists to discourage us from sinning, yet allowing us free will, still. But we still chose to sin. So we’re damned.