Comment on frenly warnin

• Excrubulent@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “Secure” doesn’t just mean “defend” or “safeguard”. “Secure” also means “capture”, so it implies you need to go put and get it, like with invasions or something maybe, idk. It’s a lot less passive.

  “Existence” means both “survival” and “prosperity”. It implies that both their existence is under threat, while creating the idea that they might be able to make it better. Maybe they could, idk, make america great again, trying to return to some mythical prelapsarian era by beating back the eternal threat.

  “A future” does this too, implying they may not have a future at all.

  And talking about the “children” brings up the concept of making new people, evoking the idea that non-white races are out-breeding them. It also includes the common “think of the children” idea.

  And finally the fact that it’s short and boring comes from the fact that nazis are uninspiring and uninspired, and they need a simple, to the point slogan to repeat without thinking about it too hard. They certainly know how to make a message concise, even at the cost of saying almost nothing of meaning when you think too hard about it.

  All of this is classic fascism.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s the same tactic as the “It’s OK to be white” or “White lives matter” slogans, but more clever because it leaves enough ambiguity such that just about anything can be justified under it. It mentions children to come across as more innocent and to implicitly accuse the opposition of endangering children (also playing into LGBT scaremongering, with the Nazis using the same tropes they use today). “Think of the children!” is a common and effective propaganda line.

  Saying “future” instead of “glorious future” suggests that the children wouldn’t have a future at all otherwise. That the white race is under attack and is otherwise on track to be eliminated by Jews and communists and so forth. It’s harder to justify atrocities in the name of “a glorious future” vs “a regular future” as opposed to “a regular future” vs “we are completely exterminated ourselves.”

  It is, of course, bullshit, because it’s literally Nazi propaganda trying to frame them as on the “defensive,” but it is carefully and intelligently crafted propaganda. It’s important to understand the enemy and their approaches in order to better counter their movements and defeat them, they should not be underestimated.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I get what you’re saying, but it’s still just really clunky writing.

    Like, you want to include children for the “think of the children!” aspect, then just add “and our children” to the existing clause. There’s no need for a whole secondary clause about the future of the children when that’s already covered by the clause about the existence of our people.

    It’s not that I expect Nazi writing to be good. It’s just that someone has to have said it better than this, even just accidentally, and yet this version is the one that Nazis have decided to immortalize.

    If this version was the winner, what were the early drafts like?

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    • oo1@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Maybe they emphasise “children” to encourage more of the current adult generation to sacrifice themselves. And to manage expectations of when the benefits arise.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I looked into it more and the specific phrase was developed by a Neo-Nazi domestic terrorist. It bears a heavy resemblance to the following quote from Hitler:

      What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.

      Idk what you’ll think of that one, but I actually thought the 14 words were a slogan used in Nazi Germany. The fact that it was just some whackjob makes me see it as less professionally crafted.

      Also, if you think the 14 words are cringy and poorly written, wait until you hear the often omitted follow up to them:

      because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the Earth.

      Right wingers be normal about women challenge level: impossible.

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• june@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “Secure” also has the meaning of taking something with great difficulty, not simply defending. It’s a threat. All the rest is just using catastrophic/severe language to lure in followers to their cause.

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  • TheDoozer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This reminds me of an anecdote talking about language differences between the US armed services:

    If you told a Marine to secure a building, they would kick the door in and take control of the building.

    If you told a soldier in the Army to secure a building, they would set up a fence around it and establish a sentry.

    If you told a Navy sailor to secure a building, they’d turn off all the lights and close and lock the door on their way out.

    If you told an Airforce airman to secure a building, they would write up a purchasing contract.

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