Comment on Why I recommend against Bluesky.

CitricBase@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• realitista@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  But Bluesky does have a lot better features when it comes to actually effectively using the platform. Getting set up on Bluesky is orders of magnitude easier than Mastodon, and I do think that’s a big part of why it’s become the preferred destination recently. Mastodon had a real shot early on but didn’t make it easy enough for people.

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  • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Getting set up on Bluesky is orders of magnitude easier than Mastodon,

    I’m so tired of hearing this. Just click the mastodon.social button in the app and it’s not any different.

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    • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve been on Mastodon for two years now. I’m active and all.

      And yet, to this date, I still can’t find a single person in my working field, who are located within the province of Quebec.

      Bluesky? Over a hundred already within days.

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      • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah I mean you’re making my point here. More marketshare = more leverage over users.

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    • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not setting up an account, that’s roughly the same. Adding contacts by topic, blocking topics and people with bad agendas en masse, etc. I started my Mastodon account almost a year before Bluesky. In Bluesky I had something useful in a week. In Mastodon I still don’t (and it’s not for lack of effort).

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wouldn’t that mean everyone is centralized on the same instance? I don’t use Mastodon so I don’t know if it’s the same as here…

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      • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Not everyone. Just those users who don’t care enough to be picky. I wish they would rotate the instances but this is better than nothing.

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  • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I know you’ll get blowback for this, eye rolls and such about how it’s not that hard, but I’ve been building social software for ordinary humans for almost 25 years and you are quite correct. Honestly the Mastodon PR itself was too complex. Anytime you heard about it, you heard not about what a hot social destination it is, but how cool its distributed technology model is and that shit just flies over most peoples heads and actually scares them into think it will be complex and hard. Then you prompt them to choose an instance and it’s just game over. Ordinary users have the attention span of a fruit fly.

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    • blinkfink182@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      You’re 100% right. I’m a technical person and until I started diving deep into my journey to manage my privacy better, I didn’t understand the appeal. NOW I do but to others points, when I first started looking to just leave Twitter, the people I followed were on Bluesky. I can’t find many people on mastodon.

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  • TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You can convenience or security, never both. Unfortunately bluesky’s compromises towards convenience hurt it’s security measures against enshittification

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    • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For me it’s the difference between something that’s usable for its purpose and something that’s not. As much as I wanted to use Mastodon and tried, it just never got off the ground.

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    • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can convenience or security, never both.

      Generally, yes. Strictly, no.

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• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yup, the network effect is real.

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• FauxPseudo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Bluesky isn’t Twitter. That’s all that mattered to most people. A few influential people went there first and the network effect kicked in.

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• TheFogan@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hell I wouldn’t even say that… they don’t understand it, they don’t care to understand it, they don’t know or care what federated means. They went there because, it’s not currently nazified twitter.

  I get that it’s “technically” federated… but practically it’s for all practical purposes just a proprietary program, run by a group that isn’t currently horrific. Unfortunately everything I see in it says, it’s every bit as vulnerable, and it can be good for as long as the owners care about not becoming a nazi propoganda machine. Actual recourse from it going evil… is non existant.

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