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Comment on YSK: That nazis Don't Actually Believe in Free Speech

It’s insane to me that somehow free speech has been successfully twisted into a dog whistle to basically just spread disinformation, actively call for extermination of minority groups and openly attack and threaten other people. That shit is not free speech those are malicious actions - and they should absolutely not be tolerated under some vague guise of free speech.

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rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Precisely. That’s why the most important mantra we can recite is “this is not normal”. No matter how normalized it gets, fascism is not normal.

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- melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  the conflation of ‘normal’ with ‘okay’ is sickening to me. unfortunately, this is normal now.
  
  and that should set off fucking air raid sirens in every single person’s head.
  
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yesman@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If you pay attention to the reactionaries, they always steal ideas from the left. Fake news, media bias? That’s Noam Chomsky. Incels stole the idea of critical examination of gender from feminists. Racists are banning books on the theory that they target people based on their race.

That’s why they’re called reactionaries. They cannot organize and ideology or a movement except as an opposition to the left dragging society forward. And like anyone motivated by spite and envy, they study us closely.

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givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

It’s insane to me

How?

This isn’t the first time, won’t be the last time.

It’s not even a Nazi thing, it’s a human thing.

Reddit said you can’t say “Luigi had a good idea” so idiots try to find the furtherest they can take it without repurcussions, and when they face repurcossions they screech that their free speech was violated because they were dog whistling.

So people get banned from reddit for it, and come here and they’re *still stuck on trying to find the line in every situation so they can put their toes on and screech “freeze speech” like teenagers playing the penis game.

Obviously the people saying “Luigi was right” and the Nazis are different.

But it’s the exact same human instinct to push boundaries and see what they can get away with, then claim innocence when faced with consequences. Little kids do it constantly, and with our education system lacking on critical thinking since No Child Left Behind, people aren’t learning the critical thinking to internally make the call on what’s ok, they just try shit and see if there’s negative consequences. That’s all that matters: can I get away with saying this.

We just saw it on a national stage where trump kept talking about tarrifs on Canada, he wanted them to engage in a bad faith conversation about fentanyl while his tarrifs were active and free of consequences. Instead Trudeau finally ovaried up and hit back with retaliatory tariffs.

trump got consequences and he’ll stop. But if there wasn’t he’d have kept pushing it.

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- NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Luigi and nazis are not even close to the same thing.
  
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  - givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Obviously not, which doesn’t matter because the behavior isn’t unique to either group:
    
    It’s not even a Nazi thing, it’s a human thing.
    
    I thought that by stating that nice and clear in the beginning would prevent confusions like yours, but I forgot some people read something and instantly forget it.
    
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    NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Just because you make an argument, doesn’t make it true. One is a group who came to power through hate and used that power in an attempt to exterminate a group. The other is someone who got screwed over by our Healthcare system and decided to do something about it. Comparing the two and saying they are the same is either intentionally disingenuous, or just stupid.
    
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wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Which is intensely frustrating for people who actually care about free speech. Can’t talk about it without setting off everyone’s “that guy is probably a nazi” alarms.

It’s absolutely an intentional trap to attempt to get people to support moves against free speech by tainting the concept through negative association.

We shouldn’t tolerate hate speech. But I’m concerned about where we end up in a few decades if the concept of free speech keeps the current connotations.

And people might consider even this comment as sealioning or something.

Meanwhile we have people unironically using phrases like unalive and censoring swear words in screenshots so they don’t trip the automated content filters on mainstream social media. That should be more concerning than people seem to take it. People joke about “literally 1984”, but unalive is blatant newspeak.

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- floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is what the fascists do: hijacking legitimate terms of discourse and abusing them so they become meaningless. It’s a deliberate strategy to subvert their opponents’ ability to talk about the issue. See also what they’ve done with “fake news”, “critical race theory” and “DEI”.
  
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- melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  yeah, I can’t say ‘libertarian communist’ or people will be like ‘do you mean ephebophile communist? how does that even work?’.
  
  they have to steal our names for shit, because they always do horrible shit under their own.
  
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