Comment on Harry and Ron were always bored in class because Rowling's magic system is boring as hell

TheresNodiee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  She introduces time travel out of freaking nowhere.

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  • TheresNodiee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    She hints at it throughout the whole book/movie by showing that Hermione had a chronologically impossible course load and having her suddenly show up in places that she didn’t seem to be mere seconds previous.

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    • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      For one book.

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      • TheresNodiee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah. I don’t think you understand what a deus ex machina is.

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• rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Picking on Sanderson is a bold move ;)

  The main point of the contrast being Sanderson (and honestly, most of the greats) developed a solid cohesive lore and set of rules. As the story progressed, the rules get clarified, the twists and surprise are made in logic and creativity, but in the finding of some new rules and the hasty trying to stitch them back into the past.

  Sanderson puts out as much content in a couple of years as others do in decades. It’s not always page-turners, but each work has it’s moments.

  Rowling did a little worldbuilding, maybe borrowed a bit, arguably did a good job on a handful or two of characters then just kinda milked it.

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• kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m sorry, no Deus ex machina? Am I misremembering the bit where suddenly two wizards casting a spell at each other at the same time for a prolonged duration reverses cause and effect and makes dead people come back as ghosts to give the protagonist advice?

  I can agree that stories don’t need a “good” magic system, but I also feel like HP has glaring holes in places that negatively affect the experience. It’s still a fun story, but I definitely think it could be better if the magic made more sense.

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  • TheresNodiee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ok the ghosts coming out of the wands thing kinda came out of nowhere, but all they did was tell Harry to run away. It’s not like they had a massive impact on the fight.

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  • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    One of the two wizards WAS the protagonist, so you might as well call this a near death experience or something. Might literally have all been in his head. I don’t think this is a good example.

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    • kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I looked it up and found the name - pretty sure it was explained shortly after the event as “Priori Incantatem”, showing it’s a known phenomenon in the world.

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  • Lazhward@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s a shit story, just not because of a ‘bad’/soft magic system.

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  • ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pretty sure the reasoning behind that was given in book 1.

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    • kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t think so, I believe the reasoning only showed up shortly after the event, though it’s been a really long time since I’ve read HP, I’d be interested in knowing if I’m wrong

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      • ChairmanMeow@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m pretty sure Olivander already mentions when Harry chooses his wand that it’s basically a twin of Voldemort’s, and in the subsequent books it’s explained that that + Lily’s magic is causing plenty of weird things to happen, including what happens in book 4. Sure, the exact reason why it happens is still “magic” but that goes for most magic systems if you delve deep enough.

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• madjo@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Expecto patronum, et voila, deus ex machina.

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  • TheresNodiee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They set it up at the beginning of the movie? How is that a deus ex machina?

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