Comment on 25 arrested in global hit against AI-generated child sexual abuse material

• ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t think this is actually true. Pretty sure if you feed it naked adults and clothed children it can figure out the rest.

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  • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s not how these image generators work.

    How would it know what an age appropriate penis looks like with our, you know, seeing one.

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    • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s exactly how they work. According to many articles I’ve seen in the past, one of the most common models used for this purpose is Stable Diffusion. For all we know, this model was never fed with any CSAM materials, but it seems to be good enough for people to get off - which is exactly what matters.

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      • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        How can it be trained to produce something without human input.

        To verify it’s models are indeed correct, some human has to sit and view it.

        Will that be you?

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    • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      considering style transfer models, you could probably just draw or 3d model unknown details and feed it that.

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      • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Again, that’s not how image generators work.

        You can’t just make up some wishful thinking and assume that’s how it must work.

        It takes thousands upon housands of unique photos to make an image generator.

        Are you going to draw enough child genetalia to train these generators? Are you actually comfortable doing that task?

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• sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  only way

  That’s just not true.

  That said, there’s a decent chance that existing models use real images, and that is what we should be fighting against. The user of a model has plausible deniability because there’s a good chance they don’t understand how they work, but the creators of the model should absolutely know where they’re getting the source data from.

  Prove that the models use illegal material and go after the model creators for that, because that’s an actual crime. Don’t go after people using the models who are providing alternatives to abusive material.

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  • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think all are unethical, and any service offering should be shut down yes.

    I never said prosecute the user’s.

    I said you can’t make it ethically, because at some point, someone is using/creating original art and the odds of human explotations at some point in the chain are just too high.

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