Comment on Hexbear federation megathread
tron@lemm.ee 1 year ago
At 21 hours old, this is a lemm.ee meta post has 1123 comments and 3/4ths of the comments are from hexbear users. They brigade every thread with their non sense and it is impacting lemmy in a very negative way. We wouldn’t be having this discussion if it wasn’t. I don’t really like defederation if it was a tool to silence ideology but what hexbear users do is not really an spread ideology and more aggressive in your face trolling. This is a spam instance that should be treated as such. Block it.
brigade
It’s not brigading, this is the top thread on both of our instances and the admin OK’d our input. blahaj had 2 Hexbear federation threads, one including everyone and one just for blahaj users.
Also hexbear doesn’t have downvotes, so we have a culture of responding to add or refute information.
debate ideology
We’re pretty disdainful of debate culture. A discussion where both people are trying to appeal to a third party instead of have a genuine discussion is inherently in bad faith.
I keep hearing a lot about “our culture” to excuse behaviours that are getting peoples backs up. However in real life it’s pretty wide knowledge that you may have to temper your behaviour outside of your culture if you go abroad or the like. Should this not apply if you’re in someone else’s instance on here too?
They just explained that they lacked down votes in their instance. So instead of downvoting, they reply and explain their thought process. I haven’t seen anything rude in the replies either.
And what the fuck does “temper your behavior outside your culture” mean? That just sounds like anti immigration bullshit lol.
I mean, I was kind of talking the other way around, if I go from the west to a Middle Eastern country I’d have to change my behaviour, what I wear, etc.
Tipping is a good example here, in the UK we don’t do tipping in the same way as the US, but if we travel there we would be expected to and “we don’t do it like that in our country” isn’t an acceptable answer. Same here, I don’t buy, “we don’t have downvotes so have to send a picture of a pig having a Tom tit” as a valid excuse for behaviour either.
Yeah, they didn’t go up until you’d spent several days posting pigs shitting all over the place and getting defeded from other subs though did they?
It’s bad faith trolling to defend ourselves?
Conflict is not abuse
“DARVO is an acronym used to describe a common strategy of abusers. The abuser will: Deny the abuse ever took place, then Attack the victim for attempting to hold the abuser accountable; then they will lie and claim that they, the abuser, are the real victim in the situation, thus Reversing the Victim and Offender.”
If those long threads were mostly on topic (about federation), that would at least be something. They present interesting view points but at all the wrong times and in huge numbers. This post is about examining their behavior and their effect on conversations. I think they’ve shown it to us.
This is at least a two way street. People from Hexbear have a right to defend themselves when you call them Nazis and compare them to ISIS like you have elsewhere in this thread.
To avoid misrepresentation, I’ll quote my original proposition:
It was not to compare ideologies but the end result of extremism and radicalization. Words become violent action and a willingness to forego peaceful change.
The casual introduction and acceptance of capital punishment and “useful” applications of police brutality, as if they were common tools in a political toolbox, is a mark of the beginning of that very shift.
Anyway, I’ve spent far too much time in here so I’m trying to put this whole post behind me. My own personal “disengage”, I guess? I just didn’t want to leave while being lumped in with the other people leaving crude, shallow dismissals as Russian tankies/bots/shills/trolls/whatever. I entered these conversations with a neutral viewpoint on Hexbear, not even in favor of defederation, but that has sadly changed quite a bit.
You added that rationalization ten hours later and still compared us to Nazis.
Views on capital punishment vary across Hexbear, but in general I’d argue we’re generally anti. The idea we’re a pro-police brutality sub is absurd, given that ACAB and the police being the violent oppressive shock troops of capital are one of the the only views that’s basically agreed upon across Hexbear.
You seem to be misrepresenting the fact that while most communists (and not all of our users are communists) dislike, but understand the sad necessity of some degree of state violence in order to protect itself from hostile forces like coups and terrorism. All states believe this, it’s known as ‘the monopoly on violence’ but communists broadly want to achieve global revolution in order to move past the need for the destructive elements of the state (although I admit this is a pretty utopian, very long term goal). I’d be happy to send you some reading or video lectures on the subject if you’d like, but it sounds like you’re not interested.
And just a note in case you do pop over to Hexbear in the future, the disengagement rule we have isn’t a tool to send a long post and have the final word. But I’m also not interested in hounding you if you just want to move on. Hope you enjoy the rest of your day.
What are you talking about? Political ‘moderates’ introduce and accept capital punishment and useful applications of brutality all the time.
I’m not going to engage with you on anything other than the “disengage”, but part of our “disengage” rule is that you absolutely cannot dump a bunch of text in an argument and end it with “disengage”. You need to actually disengage when you say “disengage”.
MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Can you explain what the difference is between ‘brigading’ and just users posting? How can a community that’s been the or one of the most active for over 3 years when it wasn’t federeated or connected with anyone, be a “spam instance”?