Comment on Really, ….. it's my fault they built a terrible system?
Pipoca@lemmy.world 10 months agoA lot of people are in denial about the effects of policies they support.
Just look at the cost of housing. There’s a ton of NIMBY homeowners who are deep in denial that zoning huge swaths of cities to be exclusively mcmansions could possibly cause house prices to be artificially high.
chakan2@lemmy.world 10 months ago
As a NIMBY guy…I’m going to protect my investment. There’s plenty of affordable housing out there, it’s just not 10 minutes walking distance from an urban center.
I can go pay 20k cash and live in a trailer across town if I need to.
Everyone wants low cost housing, no one actually wants to live ina low cost area.
NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Holy shit, you solved homelessness, good job! All we need is to have 20k in cash and then… wait.
puppy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You are trash.
jaye@lemmy.world 10 months ago
First off, housing isn’t a fucking investment. It’s a human’s basic need. Anyone thinking a roof over your head is an “investment” can fuck right off because your line of thinking IS the problem.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 10 months ago
“Low Income.” “20k Cash.” Pick one.
gayhitler420@lemm.ee 10 months ago
That’s kinda the problem, don’t you think? Your material interests have been set in opposition to people who want affordable housing in the area.
chakan2@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Sure, but let’s say you build a section 8 settlement next to my house. I’m moving…immediately, and so are all the neighbors.
The entire market there plummets and you end up with Detroit.
So great, you solved the problem for a decade. Now what?
Wereduck@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
I would love for the market to plummet where I’m at. Housing as an investment that outpaces wage is a primary problem here, if it crashed maybe half my income wouldn’t go to rent, and more and more people wouldn’t be pushed to the streets while people’s “investments” sit around empty, as they search for the perfect petless, 6 figure making tenant.
DiagnosedADHD@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Honestly, that would be great news, and I hope you know many Americans would support deregulation of zoning laws for exactly this effect. A drop in housing prices is exactly what we need. People treating home ownership as an investment are the problem, home ownership should be more like owning a car: it’s an asset, not an investment.
cubedsteaks@lemmy.today 10 months ago
loooool so you don’t know what’s going on in Portland, OR huh.
Osirus@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Your momma is a hoe.
TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
A concise rebuttal.
frezik@midwest.social 10 months ago
And then the people across town need to travel somehow, so they need a car, and then they’re spending more on a car (lots more), and then they fill up the roads, and then we need to pay for more road infrastructure, and then we have more cars to replace with BEVs because we can’t possibly continue having gas cars around.
Or we can try to get more housing near to where people work and get the things they need, and we avoid every single problem above.
Isycius@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
I do want to point out that no one is actually complaining about price of just building per say. Trailer is fine and all, but does that 20k cover land and basic utilities like water and heating/cooling (Is it well insulated?) in reasonable price and effort? Is Trailer Park actually located close enough to jobs (I don’t remember gas and time being free) and it is secure from natural disaster?
That aside, NIMBY mindset is generally dumb stance when everyone is taking it. So there’s that.
chakan2@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Utilities are really up to your usage, but all in would be maybe 500$ a month. That includes all the above plus lot fees.
The walk from there to downtown is 20 minutes…the walk to the two major employers in my area would be 30-ish minutes.
Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 10 months ago
You have to work 76.7 hours to afford utilities.
Assuming that these individuals are able- bodied to walk.
Katana314@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Normally, the meaning of an investment is that they take a measure of effort, and sometimes, they don’t pan out.
But houses will always pan out, because everyone wants them, because they’re usually expected to go up in value, because everyone wants them, because they’re expected to go up in value, because…
Someday, mark my words, it’ll be a gold-buying bubble that bursts.