How is your community not a feminist community?
Masculism is a movement against gender-based discrimination of men.
It may take many forms, and, unfortunately, some of them are quite clearly misogynistic. Similarly, some forms of radical feminism may get misandric at times.
Those are not the flavors of feminism and masculism I talk about, and those are clearly against the community rules.
Among those feminists and masculists that call for true gender equality, however, contradictions are unnecessary since the end goal is exactly the same.
!mensliberation@lemmy.ca is:
- A community about men (!antisexism@lemmy.today is about everyone)
- Openly focused on the feminist perspective, which, in my opinion, is limited because it only takes one angle.
Think of !antisexism@lemmy.today as an attempt to form a wider group (men, women, and nonbinary) exploring gender inequality from different angles.
jeffw@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Allero@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Feminism is driven primarily by, and meant primarily for, women. Men (and nonbinary people) can occasionally benefit from it, but they don’t commonly have a say in the way it develops.
Antisexism encompasses all people, and everyone has an equal voice as long as it calls for equality. It makes no sense to break it down to smaller units if everyone’s on the same page in that no one should be discriminated against. Men can be on the watch for cases of discrimination against women, and vice versa.
MRA (as in patriarchal men calling for male dominance and against feminism) are not welcome here. Coming from the men’s perspective, MRA may occasionally raise very real issues of men, which can cause the intersection of topics between them and the community; the problem is, many if not most of the MRA folks don’t want equality and also think of patriarchy as the magic pill to solve their issues, issues that are often caused by it in the first place.
You can look into men’s issues from the men’s perspective without encroaching on women’s rights in any way, shape or form, and this is one part of the multidirectional message the community tries to send.
The false dichotomy of “feminism or patriarchy” commonly leaves the opinions and unique struggles of non-patriarchal men out of the picture, and nonbinary people are straight up invisible in this conversation.
jeffw@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh no the manosphere claimed another victim
Allero@lemmy.today 2 months ago
…or I don’t care about fitting into 2 unhealthy Internet stereotypes, and neither should you. Touch grass.
blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
To be honest, this is the first time, I heard that masculism is supposed to be more than slightly veiled anti-feminism. Maybe there are different roots for that expression? In Germany, the word is absolutely burned and every person calling themselvese masculinists are trash, as far I am aware of.
I think your idea about a community that wants to adress everybody by using the neutral term antisexism is a good idea, though.
Allero@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Yeah, unfortunately, in the later years the term has been widely used by a lot of bigots to push something very different from the original idea.
Even Wikipedia now mentions both.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculism
I only mean it in the original sense, and am happy that quite a few people agree that this community should have its place.
Cris_Color@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That cultural context is super interesting. Here in the US I feel like I more often hear the shitty people of that type labeling themselves men’s rights advocates
It makes sense that different places would have picked up different terms for that movement and as such would cary that unpleasant connotation, but I hadn’t really thought about it
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, it gave me new things to think about :)