Comment on Norway on track to be first to go all-electric

• Bronzie@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You’re incredibly confident for being so blatantly incorrect.

  We had negative 30 C last winter. I drove my EV to work every single day. When the batteries were cold I had reduced power available, which made no difference at all as it was -30 C and snow everywhere.
  Using the battery also heats it up. Zero pre-heating of the batteries. I can literally watch my available power return while driving normally.

  If batteries wouldn’t work in the extreme cold, they would not be able to turn over the starter on your ICE car either, which it very clearly does….

  You are literally arguing against something close to a million people do in Norway every single day between November and March. Open a map and look how far north we stretch. Oslo is as far north as Vancouver. People live and drive EV’s in Hammerfest.

  So please, just stop. You are dead wrong about batteries/EV’s, but take this chance to learn something new.

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  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well we just had snow sweep across the eastern US last week, nowhere near as cold as Norway, and just that was enough to brick the cars and freeze up the charging stations to the point of barely working. So let us know where you all are getting these magic batteries.

    We also had EV’s catching fire in the southern US throughout the summer. Not sure why the anti-hydrogen crowd is dead set on us forcing EV’s into these environments where it’s problematic.

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    • Bronzie@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The exact same batteries as you have in your EV’s, which is why you are either ill-informed or lying. I am guessing it’s the first, so I am arguing in good faith.

      Just take a step back: A country with 5,5 million people and 93% of all new cars are EV’s. Who has more knowledge on how they work in the cold? You, my new found friend on Lemmy, or us?
      Not trying to be snarky, but we drive them every single day in winter. Batteries do not need to be heated to work, so please stop spreading this lie.
      They DO however need a certain battery temp to charge, but that’s a different discussion.

      I’m not arguing against hydrogen cars. I am just correcting some if the claims you have made.

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      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        youtu.be/tzrUkgbVoro?si=egSXiCGrze6lZWIt

        nytimes.com/…/tesla-charging-chicago-cold-weather…

        npr.org/…/teslas-chicago-charging-extreme-cold

        Guess all of these people are in on the conspiracy?

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• AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Then don’t heat up the battery, and see if it runs. Won’t work, because EV’s have to heat up the battery to get it working, because they don’t function in extreme cold.

  WTF is wrong with your logic process? Why would you remove a key component of the car? Lets take the starter out of ICE vehicles. Oh hey, they don’t function in any temperature at all!

  The point is clear that ICE vehicles work just fine if properly engineered for cold climates.

  And while we’re at it, what’s the workaround for the batteries catching fire and exploding in the extreme heat of summer? We need to implement some cooling pumps while we’re at it?

  Would you like to bring sources to this discussion? Here’s mine.

  1529.9 fires per 100k for ICE vehicles and just 25.1 fires per 100k sales for EVs.

  Oh, were you just pointing to 1-in-a-million incidents as reasons to shelve an entire technology. Tsk.

  abundant & clean hydrogen.

  There’s nothing abundant and clean about them in the current car ecosystem. I’ll grant there’s a possibility of that, but that doesn’t mean much when the competition has already delivered.

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  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    When did I claim they’d work without a starter? You claimed the EV’s work in extreme cold… by heating them up. So they don’t work in extreme cold, which is exactly why they must be heated up.

    We’re not talking about global averages of EV batteries catching fire. We’re talking about the increased risk of them doing so in extreme heat. Since we’re in the middle of climate collapse, and greenhouse gases are continuing to accumulate, more and more areas will be experiencing extreme heat.

    I’m not saying there’s no place for EV’s in cleaning up our planet. But demanding we commit to only EV’s, and just ignore the areas of the planet they can’t perform in, is absolutely asinine. Especially when we have the hydrogen tech ready to roll out.

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    • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You’re being ridiculously (and inaccurately) facetious. EVs refer to the entire car, not the battery alone. If anybody had claimed the batteries work just fine at cold temps (which nobody did), that’d be a different matter. EVs designed for cold climate work just fine in those climates.

      We’re talking about the increased risk of them doing so in extreme heat

      To begin with, that was not part of my original discussion, and I have little knowledge on that issue. However, since we’re on that, can you show some sources that there’s a significantly increased fire risk in summer, and how that compares to ICE vehicles? Based on the info I linked, they’d have to increase by several orders of magnitude to be doing worse than ICE vehicles.

      But demanding we commit to only EV’s

      Who demanded that? This conversation started when you claimed that EVs couldn’t work in cold climates, and that’s the only thing I’m really taking dispute with.

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