“This single thing is more expensive in this country” is a stupid way to compare prices from countries.
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tux0r@feddit.org 3 months ago
Germany has the EU’s highest energy prices. Just saying.
ori@lemmy.world 3 months ago
perfectly_boiled_pizza@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Norway has some of the lowest in Europe. Less than a third of Germany’s prices. Norway is producing more (hydro) energy than it’s able to use.
That’s why it’s exporting some of it to other countries today. Before Norway did this their prices were even lower.
Thorry84@feddit.nl 3 months ago
Sure just saying, not trolling at all.
Solar drives energy prices down, not up. In the summer the energy price regularly goes negative because there is so much solar available.
And it isn’t even remotely true, a lot of countries have higher energy prices than Germany within the EU. The Netherlands for example has crazy high energy prices. And that’s in absolute numbers, not even corrected for things like GDP.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Why is that?
RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
IIRC it’s because there is a pseudo monopoly for the power lines which can increase prices for using them and the price for electricity orients itself on the most expensive form of electricity (coal I think), so the price benefits of renewables only benefit the seller and not the buyer
thejml@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Same in the US… I don’t have any choice on where my power comes from. Though the government tries to go after them for price fixing/gouging, it’s always way late and a smaller penalty that nut should have been while they’re currently making money hand over fist.
knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
Because the price we pay is determined by the most expensive source, that’s to ensure low costing energy like wind and solar make the biggest profit and get expanded further and faster.
lurch@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Because Germany is not at 100% renewable yet. Soon.
tux0r@feddit.org 3 months ago
I wish I knew.
Lumidaub@feddit.org 3 months ago
It does seem awfully like you’re implying a connection to the topic at hand.
leisesprecher@feddit.org 3 months ago
Yet, you spout innuendos as if you’re knowing what you’re talking about.
wewbull@feddit.uk 3 months ago
It’s the coal they’re burning.
ArtikBanana@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
Norway has one of the lowest. And they don’t have only 62.7%.
99% of their energy comes from renewables.
In the USA, some of the states with lowest prices has the highest % of renewables.
Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
To be fair, Norway and those states rely heavily on hydro, which is great if you have the geography for it, but it’s not a route that can work for every region.
Excluding hydro renewable sources tend to cost more currently, though that premium has been and is coming down.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Exactly. I grew up in WA, USA, and power was always quite cheap due to how much comes from hydro. Now I’m in Utah, and it’s only cheap because we use coal and natural gas (and produce a ton of the latter), though we’re replacing a lot of that w/ solar (turns out deserts get lots of sun) and prices are remaining pretty low.
Renewable energy will certainly look different in each region. I don’t know what would work best for Germany since I don’t know the geography very well, but comparing Norway to Germany isn’t going to be a productive conversation.
makingrain@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Norway regularly has very high energy prices… in fact, they’re so high they want to cut exports.
The reason they’re high is because of the grid in other countries being hit by low wind or grey sky days, pushing up the minimum pricing that they’re also subjected to by being part of the same grid.
makingrain@lemm.ee 3 months ago
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