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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

Literally standard procedure for a criminal trial. I absolutely hate it.

It’s predicated on “never admit guilt, so we can wheel and deal in backrooms to make a plea deal.” They say plea deals are to keep courts from being packed and backed up, but it’s more about punishing the poorest who have no money to fight when they’re innocent.

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shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The point in this one is to convince a jury that he’s not guilty of the exact charges. His lawyers will surely go the “not terrorism” route, but unfortunately he has other charges. I think the legal term is “stacking”?

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- SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yep, they’re hitting him with media-generating charges like first degree murder and terrorism, but probably can only make the second degree murder actually stick. That way they can drop the worst charges and still hit him with second degree.
  
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  - shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    In NY state they must charge terrorism to get first-degree murder. Unless the victim is a cop or judge, then proceed.
    
    It’s not a media thing, it’s what state law allows. Let’s talk about how fucked up that is instead.
    
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IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Lmao, I defended myself against a bully in school and the pigs didn’t even do any investigation and took the school admin’s word for it and arrested me for “Agravated Assault”

They then did a “diversion” that basically I have to promise not to commit a crime for 6 months (like bitch, do I look like a fucking criminal to you?) and then case would be dismissed, and crucially, it did not include an admission of guilt, so I took it. But if it had included an admission of guilt, I’d fucking fight that shit to the end. Pull the CCTV, motherfuckers, see if that’s enough evidence.

Also, I learned that (via internet searches) if you are under 18, you do not get a right jury trial, but it also simultaneously can potentially have the same impact as an adult conviction. That’s was the most bullshit thing I’ve learned.

Oh wanna know some bullshit I learned? USCIS can see all juvenile records for the past 5 years, even if sealed, expunged, or even pardoned, which could come into play if you aren’t a citizen (which, thank god figuatively, that I had derived citizenship from my mother’s naturalization, imagine the shitshow on the other, even shittier timeline).

(Also, USCIS can see ALL adult records, doesn’t matter if sealed, expunged, or pardoned. They see it all. Fucking bullshit.)

I did not really had ACAB sentinments before, but now I’ve been radicalized by the police and I’ll fucking say ACAB, and now I’m very sympathetic towards anarchist movements.

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- SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I think the failure of the phrase ACAB is that it pins the problems of the system just on cops. Corrupt lawmakers, judges, district attorneys, prosecutors, and defenders all play into this as well. Lawmakers made the laws defer to cops over citizens, judges treat a cops word as more truthful than a citizens, same with district attorneys and prosecuting attorneys. They’re all scratching each others back in a sick system where nearly all of them are essentially above the law.
  
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  - YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    TWSIAB.
    
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finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Luigi isn’t poor or without money, though.

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SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Eh, my lawyer recommended that I plead nolo contendere, but each case is different.

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Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Well the thing is if you plead guilty you’re immediately at the mercy of the judge. They simply decide on your sentence based on the provided information and give you a penalty in line with the laws around it.

Even if your the most guilty of the guilty, you’re generally better off having a jury trial to determine how guilty, as if you appear sympathetic you could get the minimum penalty rather than the maximum. The exception would be if you had an exceptionally good plea bargain for pleading guilty.

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