Tbf I agree that their more recent games haven’t been great… but I do think they are both more lean as a studio, and their recent games have been of better quality than Bethesda’s recent slop.
Tbh I don’t think obsidian is that good anymore either.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
shartgargle@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That’s not saying much. Fallout 4 wasn’t the best game in the world but it’s the last time I’ve had any fun at all with a Bethesda game. 76 wasn’t even a game to me. More like what meta tried to do with VR than a game. It’s digital and you create a character but it’s just a hangout with stuff to do. That sounds like a game, but it didn’t feel like one.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I completely agree.
FO4 showed to me that they are fundamentally unserious about Fallout as like, a setting of stories, and also that they have no idea how to make compelling gameplay.
Addictive maybe, sure, but not interesting.
I never understood why anyone would play FO76 at all. Just a mess, better alternatives existed at the time for very similar gameplay.
Yeah lol, FO76 is a game the way like, a dead MMO or SecondLife is a game hahaha, its a … digital space, hahaha!
What I’ve said in the past and I still think is that they should have, for FO4 done either:
A) totally drop the base construction schtick, completely redraft the main story, make it a lot more compelling.
Or
B) nearly totally drop the main story, and go full in on the base construction schtick. Other major factions have bases they are building and maintaining, they get different kinds of blue prints, need different kinds of resources, have different styles of overarching like strategic AI governing what the factions act like, what they value materially… turn the game into much more of a procedurally generated like, active sim, of a wasteland.
But they split the diff and went for half baked versions of both, and basically it was bland and boring.
shartgargle@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Accurate. It was the best shooter in all of fallout games. So much so that I forget vats even exists or often that it’s even a fallout game.
I do like settlement building but you’re right that it seems half baked. Shit doesn’t fit together like it should.
And you’re right that they can’t do compelling gameplay. I mostly play FO4 because you do get OP so quickly. I use it as stress relief more than anything. I’ve gotten the spray and pray as early as level 7. 7! So I just go around mowing down super mutants and raiders. It would normally piss me off how fast it repopulates them to 100% but that’s all they are to me, targets to run down.
Paradachshund@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Yeah I would agree with that last part, though I still haven’t loved any of obsidian’s recent work either.
bananabenana@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pentiment was brilliant AF. Pillars of Eternity II was also amazing. The writing and art direction in these games is the same quality of NV. Outer Worlds was alright, but the DLC was very good.
I’ll support any Obsidian ventures because there’s not really any other studios that make high quality narrative driven games similar to them. Maybe WarHorse Studios or CDPR.
Paradachshund@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
The one in thinking of most recently was Avowed. Really didn’t care for the writing in that one. It felt like a big step down to me. Ironically the action game parts felt better than previous obsidian games I’d played.
bananabenana@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Dev team from Avowed is different from other projects IIRC.
For Fallout you’d hope they’ll assemble the A team - JE Sawyer, John Gonzalez, maybe contract in Avellone etc.
Either way, straight buy for me.
Paradachshund@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Oh really? That’s good then