Comment on Why BlueSky Isn’t the Alternative to X (Formerly Twitter) You’re Looking For — and Why Mastodon Is the Better Choice Over X, Threads, and BlueSky

• scytale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Not really. I mean, sure it’s the same concept, but email has been getting semi-centralized between the big players now, with gmail and maybe icloud getting the largest chunk of users. That would be similar to letting users choose between .world or .ml to sign up with, which is against the fediverse principle to spread the load as wide as possible.

  When you present the lowest common denominator internet user with hundreds of instances to choose from and requiring them to think further than clicking through a sign-up page, you lose user interest pretty quickly.

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  • pennomi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m actually okay with semi-centralized. Most people need that to trust a platform, but it still gives you the option to self host if you really care.

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• joyjoy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  At least in the early days of email before gmail, hotmail, or yahoo, you would get assigned an email from your work, university, or ISP.

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  • JupiterRowland@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Exactly why most Germans only had a @t-online.de address back in the day. The only exceptions were those who needed an e-mail account before they had their own home and their own landline connection.

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• maegul@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I mean, I hear you (we’re both here after all), but honestly, I think this is a bad take and approach (if getting more users is a goal.

  It’s not the 90s anymore. And even email services are given to you by your employer or selected from the closest big brand provider (Google etc).

  All of which is a far cry from “nerdygardeners.io” administered by some rando anonymous account you’ve never heard of before.

  For mainstream success, the instances thing was dead on arrival. Just was and is. Which is fine, the Fedi can be and arguably should be something else.

  IMO the success of BlueSky is good for the Fedi. It can take the “let’s be the next mainstream thing” monkey off of its back and just be itself.

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  • JupiterRowland@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    IMO the success of BlueSky is good for the Fedi. It can take the “let’s be the next mainstream thing” monkey off of its back and just be itself.

    Plus, it keeps the obnoxious “But muh follower count” fame whores and the majority of the “Why can’t this be exactly like Twitter, I want a total Twitter clone” dumb-dumbs out. They’d ruin Fediverse culture even more than the second migration wave two years ago which was so massive that those who fled back then only encountered each other on Mastodon and hardly anyone who had been in the Fediverse before then.

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• JaymesRS@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m guessing you meant this sarcastically, but you may have been right for the wrong reasons. Look at this graph, by the metric of the way the fediverse works that is a failure. Apple and Google are massively dominant because people don’t want to think about it and most just go with their phone is maker, and there is no fediverse server equivalent to that.

  a graph of email users by domain. apple and gmail dominate.

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  • JupiterRowland@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Still, this chart looks like it’s actually counting phone apps rather than providers. Google doesn’t have two separate e-mail services AFAIK.

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  • illi@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So you are saying Mastodon won’t take off because people need to choose a server but also because having a “default” where majority will ptobably end up is bad - but this is literally the solution to the problem you mentioned

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  • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t think I’ve ever received an e-mail from an Apple Mail address.

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  • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This looks like it’s conflating service providers and clients. Thunderbird doesn’t provide email accounts to the public as far as I know.

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    • zerozaku@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Same with Apple mail right? I never used an Apple device and was shocked to see them over Gmail because I thought Apple actually gives email service when I saw the graph.

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      • Zak@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Apple does have an email service, but I think “Apple Mail” is the name is the client, not the service.

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      • PanArab@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Apple does give email service for two decades now

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  • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Nevertheless email stays the defacto standard for business communication and has stayed intercompatible with a wide range of clients, servers and plugins. So this graph could be better but is apparently not a big issue as long as companies and unis keep running their own servers, forcing big tech to stay with tbe standards.

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    • JaymesRS@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That works when the decentralized protocol is the 800 lb gorilla first. You can’t get there with the fediverse in this internet era, sadly.

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      • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The matrix protocol is a good example to prove you wrong. It has been popularized in the past 5-6 years (i.e. this era of the internet) it has well over 100 million users and growing, is being used in hundreds of universities and wont stop growing, is being used by government bodies all over the world and has unified most of the software dev landscape into one protocol. Its hard fucking work and you have to start with exactly those groups which are easier to convince and then you can move on to the average consumer.

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