Comment on Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers

• GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So what are we supposed to do?

  Not sanction Russia?

  Apply sanctions on an individual basis?

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  • dwindling7373@feddit.it ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are you under the impression I’m some kind of strategical genious of political negotiation? I have no idea.

    My point is that holding everybody responsible for what the specific form of government of the specific country they happened to be born into is a confortable truth to push back on the much more controversial take of all of us being the very same thing.

    And to get slightly more practical, it’s asinine to suggest that anybody that disagrees with a government has the means, or the will, or the duty to straight up move to another country (obviously to a flawless country, good luck with that).

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    • YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Are you under the impression I’m some kind of strategical genius of political negotiation?

      The way you denigrate different opinions, it seems you may be the one to think that, actually.

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      • dwindling7373@feddit.it ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That’s just the misanthropy leaking…

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    • GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ll ask differently. Let’s just assume there is a way to make sure there is no overreach of sanctions, but it’s going to cost millions of tax dollars or euros. Would you rather have that money spent on things that are close to you (education, healthcare, infrastructure etc) or would you want that money to spent identifying which Russians should or shouldn’t be sanctioned?

      And to get slightly more practical, it’s asinine to suggest that anybody that disagrees with a government has the means, or the will, or the duty to straight up move to another country (obviously to a flawless country, good luck with that).

      I agree, somethings shit just sucks. However, the other person said

      even of people who’ve long moved out and immigrated years ago and don’t support the invasion and war waged on Ukraine

      Those people have already had the means, will or duty to move to another country. What’s their excuse for keeping the Russian citizenship?

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      • dwindling7373@feddit.it ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Those people have already had the means, will or duty to move to another country. What’s their excuse for keeping the Russian citizenship?

        There’s plenty of reason, the most likely is that they love their country, their homeland, their city, the network of friends, the memories and they hope, one day, to be able to get back.

        Let’s just assume there is a way to make sure there is no overreach of sanctions, but it’s going to cost millions of tax dollars or euros. Would you rather have that money spent on things that are close to you (education, healthcare, infrastructure etc) or would you want that money to be spent identifying which Russians should or shouldn’t be sanctioned?

        Would you still love me if I was a giant moth?

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  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s besides the point because with the Linux kernel not only should it be a net-neutrality style project where we do not let geopolitics affect it (do you really want Trump’s America to have legal power over it?)

    The solution here is simple, just do not kick the maintainers unless they have confirmed ties to the Russian state. It’s not always practical to make sanctions precisely targeted, but in this case it actually is easily so.

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Let us all love Lain 😁

      Other than that, can we still trust .ru and .su domains?

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      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And you don’t seem to understand ~~

        can we still trust .ru and .su domains? I wouldn’t, personally. It’s not like Russians cannot obtain non-.ru domains and if anything those anti-war are inclined to do so to avoid scrutiny, especially with anti-putin russian news orgs like e.g. meduza.

        Definitely not .su unless you know what you’re doing and what you’re doing is some sketchy shit.

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      • DrDystopia@lemy.lol ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Nobody could ever trust .su domains, it’s always been a hive of scum and villainy. No joke, it’s been notorious for scamming and various cyber crime, which is a shame since it’s a great novelty domain.

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  • drathvedro@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Apply sanctions on an individual basis?

    Exactly. ACF has published a list of every single person responsible for the war. Most of them are not sanctioned because they are filthy rich and have already bought themselves passports in various EU countries. Targeting Russian passports does absolutely nothing to them as they can just use another.

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sanctions are to punish the whole country including individuals. Sanctions work because it makes lives of individuals worse so that they have reason to be unhappy and do something against the reasons the sanctions is put on them. It makes it harder for leaders to be accepted, if under their power live gets worse. And if a leader is not accepted by enough of their people, the chances of resistance is bigger. And the countries that have put sanctions on, want exactly that.

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      • drathvedro@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        This idea ignores how Russia works. Everyone already knows it’s a totalitarian shithole. They just don’t have the means to fight it, so they either lay low and play along, or try to get the fuck out. Sanctions hit the second group, as well as companies that implement them because they’re losing income. In fact, older folk here still grumble at USSR collapse and how effective free reign of capitalism was in the 90s at extracting wealth out of the country.

        Even if that idea was to hold any water, straight up blocks are not what you’d need. For example, when I open up a site and I see a block page, the idea that pops into my head is always the same - “what a bunch of assholes…”. I can bypass the block either way, but the difference is that it can say either “blocked by the ministry of truth”, or “blocked because ur russian, haha get rekt”. Given how easy it is to get hit by censorship for innocent things, it’s rather easy to shift the blame, while keeping the business running, by just standing up to the ideas of free speech, like not removing the “celebrating the pride month” logo in that country specifically, like all of them did…

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