Comment on San Francisco to pay $212 million to end reliance on 5.25-inch floppy disks

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• hddsx@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  What’s a token ring?

  Also I’m pretty sure I still have a box of 3.5” they can have lol

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  • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    What’s a token ring?

    Wait-your-turn Internet

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    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      If it’s stupid and it works, it ain’t stupid.

      It comes from a time when wired infra was a shared medium and only one party could talk at a time. To control who talked, they passed around a token. The token would essentially take a lap around the ring before you could speak again.

      Because it’s a shared medium, it’s one big collision domain.

      Now, collisions are bad, mmmkay.

      Modern wired infrastructure is switched. There’s some brains in the operation. The switch learns the hardware ID (unique MAC address) of every device that’s talked to it, because every frame that goes through it has the source and destination hardware ID as part of it.

      As such, the switch will only forward out the port where it knows the destination is. It can only know it from one (logical) port (if there’s more than one, that’s a paddlin’). If it doesn’t know it, it’ll forward the frame out all interfaces except the one it rode in on.

      Compare this with modern wireless where, aside from 802.11ax, clients just… (essentially) wait for a random amount of time, listen for a break in the signal, and take a leap of faith. It’s amazing anything works on wifi with how much modern homes stress them.

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      • mkwt@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        802.11ax, clients just… (essentially) wait for a random amount of time, listen for a break in the signal, and take a leap of faith.

        Ethernet originally worked the same way, back when it competed directly against token ring. Ethernet won by being as reliable in real world scenarios while being cheaper to build out. Gigabit Ethernet was the first standard that insisted on full duplex only.

        Half duplex mode with the collision avoidance is still actively supported for 10/100, but it is becoming very hard to find an unswitched hub. So you may have to write up your own twisted pair cables.

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    • seaQueue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Until someone forgets the terminator on one end of the network and the token falls out

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      • rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        “That’s why we’ve got a bucket under the wire’s end. Token spillage is a pain in the ass to sweep up, so at the end of the day we collect the bucket and put all the tokens back in the first machine.”

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  • ThePantser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

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    • Zachariah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I was all prepared to explain token ring architecture, but this is way better.

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  • mercano@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    The idea was one computer on the LAN would hold the “talking stick” (the token) and transmit whatever data it needed to, then pass the token off to the next computer in the ring. If a computer received the token and didn’t have anything to transmit, it’d just pass on the token. The problem would be detecting when one of the computers in the loop had gone offline or crashed and taken the token with it. After some amount of time with no traffic, some system was responsible for generating a new token and an amended turn order. Similar problems existed when a new computer wanted to get added to the rotation.

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