Comment on Rockstar Games DDoSed Heavily By Players Protesting New AntiCheat Code

Linktank@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• KickMeElmo@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Probably a few Linux/Steam Deck players pissed that Rockstar just nuked their ability to play without warning or reason as well.

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  • mp3@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Those are legitimate victims, fuck the cheaters.

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    • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      The cheaters have already found a way to bypass this stupid shit. It only affects legitimate users and cheaters too stupid to figure out the seemingly trivial workaround.

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  • jonne@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Eh, I was playing it on steam deck, GTA online was just not worth it with all the cheating anyway.

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    • ysjet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Because it’s cheaper than actually implementing working anti heat instead of just stealing control of your computer and leaving gaping vulnerabilities on it.

      After all, why would they care? It’s not their computer.

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    • Wrench@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Man, that sounds familiar. I gave up on Escape from Tarkov for the same reason.

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      • jonne@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        It’s just ridiculous the stuff you see that should be easy to catch with basic server scripts. Players conjuring money and vehicles out of thin air, moving impossibly fast, vehicles/players with seemingly unlimited hit points, etc. You could easily catch that shit on the server side and ban the cheaters, but instead they go for the most invasive client side shit.

        Sure, if you want to stamp out stuff like aim bots and whatever eventually you’ll need to look at the client side of things, but in a decade they didn’t seem to do anything at all.

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    • Aceticon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Server-side checks cost processing power and memory hence they need to spend more on servers.

      Client side kernel-level anti-cheat only ever consumer resources and cause problems to the actual gamers, not directly to Rockstart’s bottom line.

      If Rockstar’s management theory is that gamers will endure just about any level of shit and keep on giving them money (a posture which, so far, has proven correct for just about every large game maker doing that kind of shit) then they will logically conclude that their bottom line won’t even suffer indirectly from making life harder for their existing clients whilst it will most definitelly suffer if they have more server costs due to implementing server side checks for cheating.

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  • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Battleye is supported on steam deck

    But honestly FUCK kernel level ACs

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    • KickMeElmo@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Battleye is, but they didn’t enable it for Linux. Literally a switch, and they failed to do so.

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  • independantiste@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Heh, I would say the cheaters are generally much more immature and likely to DDOS. I think there is a lot of overlap over video game cheaters and script kiddies, especially when the cheaters are called hackers

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    • Damage@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Qnd cheaters have money (the same they use to buy cheats) to pay for botnets

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  • flashgnash@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m upset they nuked Linux support, my PC is Linux and have a steam deck

    I’m still not going to fucking ddos them for it

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  • Linktank@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yeah that’s shitty. I’d rather the cheaters ruin the game for a subsection of the populace rather than all of them though.

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  • paraphrand@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Linux users playing dirty? Not a good look.

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• cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BattlEye

  Interacts with the game at the kernel level.

  Fuck cheaters, but also FUCK kernel level shit, it’s possible to make a good AC without fucking around in the kernel.

  I don’t even install third party Antivirus’ that hook into the kernel because of all the issues it causes. 80% of all BSODs I’ve traced back have always had a root cause because of some shit piece of software fucking around in the kernel. 15% is shitty drivers.

  Kernel AVs and ACs actually act like malware in of itself with the types of hooks and interactions it performs. Anything operating at the kernel level can basically see just about everything you or your computer is doing

  Fuck kernel level AC

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  • Metz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    it’s possible to make a good AC without fucking around in the kernel.

    What if the cheat runs in the kernel? I am also against these extremely invasive anti-cheat measures, but it must be clear to everyone that the cheat developers and users have no qualms about this.

    A user level AC can do shit all against that if the cheat runs in ring 0.

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    • cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      A) They can actually invest in server-side detection

      B) Cheats running at ring0 aren’t invisible, unkillable maybe, but AC just needs to detect to ban/kick user

      There’s no excuse for kernel AC, it’s just a cheap, lazy shortcut

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      • Metz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Cheats running at ring0 aren’t invisible

        Every rootkit ever disagrees with that statement.

        They can actually invest in server-side detection

        I’m not deep enough in the topic to be able to judge this, but i would guess the needed extra hardware is simple not worth it. especially in games with many players or complex physics i would guess that could lead to considerable load on the servers.

        Plus, server side is not able to catch things the client manipulates on his side. e.g. graphical data to make walls transparent. The server could at most catch the player abusing this knowledge, but if he is smart about it, the server has no way to ever notice.

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