All the people I watch on youtube make the majority of their money on patreon or twitch. Youtube is way too heavy handed with demonitization and copyright strikes to be a trutsworthy income source.
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brrt@sh.itjust.works 5 days agoAnd how are they going to make a living to keep producing videos?
I’d say ask them to join Nebula.
Fosheze@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Allero@lemmy.today 5 days ago
Nebula is cool and all, but at the end of the day, it’s still a commercial platform, and those do tend to enshittify and depend a lot on externalities.
As creators grow more dependent on Nebula, Sam and the team of original Nebula creators can wield more power and change the rules. They already dictate the kind of content that is allowed - for example, Second Thought, one of the original creators behind Nebula, was asked to leave as he doesn’t agree to change public stance on Israeli-Palestinian conflict (he is pro-Palestine). This has left him without a source of revenue necessary for the production to expand, and put him into debt.
Solution? Probably independent sponsorships that would go both on YouTube and PeerTube videos. Or a creator reward system like in Lbry/Odysee. Something that would allow to reward creators without going full commercial.
GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
They can still post on YouTube.
It might take a tiny bit of their revenue away but I doubt it would make much of a dent, especially for creators that run mostly on patreon anyway.
BatrickPateman@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Patreon and all the other services creators have at their disposal already.
Don’t think most Youtubers can make a living these days solely on YT as revenue, and are already exploring other avenues.
scarabic@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Paying Nebula subscriber here 🙋♂️
I can’t stand hearing people whine about wanting everything for free and how DARE people try to make a living so they can eat in between making videos!!!
96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 5 days ago
Direct payment to creators seems like the most simple and efficient method.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 5 days ago
Same way they do on YT. Patreon + sponsor spots + merch. They only miss out on ad revenue (which I concede is not insignificant).
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 4 days ago
So you want them to take a huge pay cut? To what benefit, just YoUTubE bAd?
helenslunch@feddit.nl 4 days ago
To literally everyone’s benefit except YouTube.
Viewer don’t have to submit themselves to Google’s horrific practices and policies, and creators get the freedom to post what they want without some 3rd party determining it’s illegal when it’s not and taking it down or giving all of their income to someone else.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I just want the videos no creator makes money on. I expect thats about 50% at least. Let’s start there. Put them in the Library of Congress and YouTube will be free to enshittify themselves into oblivion without complaint.
meldrik@lemmy.wtf 5 days ago
That depends. If they only make a living with YT ads, then it’s going to be hard.
DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 5 days ago
About half the ads I see on YouTube are already within the videos they post. I wonder what the overall ratio is of YouTube ad revenue versus in-video ad revenue.
meldrik@lemmy.wtf 5 days ago
Are you talking about sponsors? Because yes, that has nothing to do with YT ads.
brrt@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
I guess I forgot things like Patreon which could be a valid option. Although I’m neither a fan of subscribing to specific creators nor am I particularly fond of Patreon.
With Nebula my perception is that I pay a monthly fee and they can figure out who gets what depending on whose videos I watched. I don’t need to be particular in my action on who to support.
meldrik@lemmy.wtf 5 days ago
Nebula is a good option, but now you’ve created a paywall. Now only people who can afford it, can watch the content and what is to keep Nebula from upping the price of the subscription?
If ads is out of the question, then content creators need to use sponsors and patrons, if they want to make a living.
scarabic@lemmy.world 5 days ago
People want a fantasy world where all the main content is free and two or three rich sponsors support the creator by sponsoring little extras only available to Patreon supporters. The ends will never meet in the middle on that. It’s a fantasy where people get what they want for free because someone else pays for it. Won’t work. Get out your cash, kids. Cancel your Netflix and put the money into Nebula.
Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
An advantage of funding things via a collective like Nebula as opposed to each individual creator managing their own patrons is that new creators can start making bigger, more expensive projects quicker. Even established creators have this advantage, they can take bigger risks on bigger projects with the safety net of a share of the nebula pie.
LordWiggle@lemmy.world 5 days ago
They also can use sponsors in the video, but that only works when you have enough views.
scarabic@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Yes if a creator’s main living can be shifted into Patreon or their own independent subscription service, THEN you will see them move off of YT because it actually works against them at that point. Mark Soagnuolo aka The Wood Whisperer has made this transition. He’s been around years (decades?) with awesome quality woodworking content. He’s found independent sponsorships. He’s created his own subscription service and takes direct payments but also uses platforms like Patreon. He plays the social media game very well. He travels to trade shows and keeps up with a podcast. He is the gold standard for what it takes a creator to move off of YT and still make a living IMO. His wife is a driving force behind making the business work and I think it’s a full time job for her too and probably a staff of employees. Mark used YT in the early years to build an audience but he does very little at all on YT nowadays.
He also has very little out there now that is free 🤷♂️
You can’t have it both ways