No, it’s not. This was a very tactical way of striking an enemy that hides behind women and children.
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SSJMarx@lemm.ee 6 days ago
kill individual fighters
They killed like 1 fighter in exchange for wounding a thousand civilians, including at least one little girl who died. The pager shit is every bit as indiscriminate as the bombing.
WhyFlip@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Elwynn@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
So would Netanyahu also be considered as hiding behind women and children? He’s out in public, traveling and lives in Tel Aviv.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 days ago
This was a very tactical
Flinging a hand grenade into a crowd several thousand times over
OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
There’s a big difference between dropping bombs and small pagers exploding. I watched a lot of those videos, and almost no one except the targets were injured.
It’s really sad that anyone else got injured at all, but damn, I’m glad they were able to be so destructive without injuring the thousands upon thousands that have been dying up until now. Or are you just upset that you can’t claim genocide for this attack?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 days ago
There’s a big difference between dropping bombs and small pagers exploding.
Israel is doing both across Southern Lebanon. The pager attack was just the first salvo.
lemmycdatass@lemmynsfw.com 6 days ago
1000 civilians had pagers sold to Hezbollah? Odd.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Can you confidently say you know the exact chain of custody of your cell phone?
Some killer gets a pager he doesn’t need, sells it to someone to make some cash, who gives it to their kid. Annnnd boom.
teamevil@lemmy.world 6 days ago
I buy mine offline so I’ll can for sure say, I’ve no fucking idea
lemmycdatass@lemmynsfw.com 6 days ago
No. Can you? How does OP know this about 1000 civilians? Don’t get me wrong. Fuck the Israeli government and it’s indiscriminate murder, but also fuck the lies. Speak truth.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Since you’re changing topics from “how could kids get pagers meant for someone else”…
In war, everyone lies. But one thing I’ve found as an American is that, if you’re killing in another country, you’re probably the worse of the two.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 days ago
These weren’t devices connected to any network, these were connected to a network run by Hesbollah. There was no reason for a civilian to have one of these pagers.
SSJMarx@lemm.ee 6 days ago
Hezbollah isn’t just a military organization. It’s a political party. The majority of those pagers were in civilian hands when they detonated.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
i think they killed like, 12 people, and injured somewhere between 1-2 thousand more, probably some civilians in there, but these are military pagers to my knowledge so it’d be weird for it to hurt a bunch of random people, but it’s possible.
sudo@programming.dev 6 days ago
Hezbollah was using commercial grade pagers because they’re a militia. The purpose of pagers are to contact them when their off duty. Many of these pagers blew up in homes, grocery stores, and other public places. Many civilians were killed and most people injured were bystanders.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
from what i can recall, and from the stats i’ve seen, these “explosions” seem more like “really bad pocket fires” more than anything to me, i could see it injuring people. Maybe two or three standing immediately nearby other people.
But considering this attack has only like 12 confirmed dead civilians or something, “many” seems a little excessive. I could see a few hundred getting injured though. Possibly a few cars/homes burning down. That might cause a few more.
ok so, did a bit of a check here, 12 civilians died. That’s where that number came from. 40 people died total, i think. At least that’s what wikipedia tells me. I don’t think it ever mentions how many civilians were injured directly, but assuming it follows the deaths, it’s somewhere between probably 500 and 1000 i would guess.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
From what you can recall? I’m sorry, but I watched some of those videos, and I will not forget them. I cannot imagine what it must have been like to just be shopping in a supermarket when the person next to you has their legs suddenly blown off 3 feet from you.
It’s terrorism, plain and simple.
Yeah dude. “Only.”’
MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 6 days ago
This says 37 dead, of whom Hezbollah have stated 31 were their fighters.
abcnews.go.com/International/…/story?id=113833089
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Hezbollah is a political party with 18 parliamentary seats and thousands of public service workers on their payroll.
Saying these were “fighters” is akin to bombing an UNRWA center and claiming you killed 31 Hamas Terrorists.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
so then why did they have pagers? I thought the pagers were specifically for millitant orders, or is the whole political party communicating in private via one way pagers?
i feel like if this were public service, this would be in confidence, in a building for example, rather than like this.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 days ago
That’s a pretty clean ratio actually, considering the nature of Hesbollah.
MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 5 days ago
Yeah. Two civilians dead for every one militant is fairly typical for asymmetric warfare.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
sounds about right with what i’ve heard from other places.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 days ago
They were a shipment for general consumption that went to a dealer near the Iranian embassy.
The target was the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, and virtually everyone else was just collateral damage.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
yeah, that’s generally how products work. Even in the US military the government just walks up to a company and goes "can you make this? And if they say yes they pay them money, or times of war just go “hey i need you to make this”
the only difference here is that it’s not quite a formally established military, so it’s using off the shelf components and products, which is pretty common for these smaller groups.
although depending on the dealer, that dealer may have been the source of intrusion, so there’s that.
targeting one specific guy through the most broad means possible seems, weird. I doubt this was a highly specific attack. It would be a very, very odd way to do it, but then again this conflict has been nothing but odd, so i can’t really put it past them lol.
Regardless, i doubt they solely intended to target that one guy. While everyone else is technically collateral, it’s probably considered to be beneficial to the cause. At least by israel.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Not that weird, in the history of espionage. As another example, the CIA used a vaccine drive in Pakistan to target Osama bin Laden’s hideout.
When your government believes neighboring ethnicities are “bug people” who need to be exterminated, collateral damage is viewed as a perk.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
Right now the plan is to start assassinating everyone that got maimed for being related to zbowla
teamevil@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Last I saw was 37 dead to over 3000 injuries
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
yeah that’s what wikipedia is saying. I’m unsure if this includes the radio attacks also though.