Comment on How different would the world be if school never ended but you could leave anytime you elect to?

CobblerScholar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• No_Ones_Slick_Like_Gaston@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  As a self learner, knowing this, I’d like to have a word with whomever set requirements for any job requiring a degree.

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  • deranger@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Probably those who had massive errors happen because people bullshitted their way into a position. Certification is important. It’s impossible to test all the bits of knowledge required for a position every time someone applies for a position with the potential for huge fuckups (doctor, engineer, pilot, etc.)

    I don’t want to be in the plane with the self taught pilot, even though I think the requirements in the US are kinda bullshit.

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  • BugleFingers@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m a firm believer that as long as you can show you knowledge and can accomplish the job, the piece of paper is unnecessary. It’s also why I think apprentiships should be more of a thing again. Degrees are a very modern thing that while a very useful tool, isn’t being used right.

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    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      A degree shows that you can complete a long-term multi-phase project involving a large variety of tasks and disciplines while following the rules established by the organization.

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      • BugleFingers@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So can a resume, or work history

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    • KombatWombat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Of course, and any job will expect some degree of training anyway. But there’s only so much that can be tested for before hiring someone. A degree is just a reference from the university that you meet their standards of mastery at whatever major at whatever level. Some jobs expect you to have one just like some expect you to have references from individuals, but others will have other tests for qualification which may even just be an interview conversation. Apprenticeships are pretty similar; each is an individual or group staking their reputation on vouching for your competency. Even a GED or high school diploma is a reference, just from an organization or a public institution.

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      • BugleFingers@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Aye, you aren’t wrong, that’s my whole point though, in the end, it’s just one entity vouching for the other. While school can have some standardization I’ve met enough people from schools with paper in hand that I would never have thought competent enough to weild that paper. So why is this one entity have so much more sway than others? I’m simply saying all the options should be considered and not hard locked off because that paper doesn’t exist.

        For instance, I have an older family member who’s an OG senior program engineer with a resume that is just astoundingly impressive. No doubt most people who’ve had a computer would recognize their work. Like, sincerely impressive. They struggled to find a job for 4-5 years because they lacked a programming degree.

        I don’t disagree with degrees as a method, I disagree with using them as a universal, only way method. I, myself, am not a degree weilding graduate but I did work my way up through sheer knowledge. It was a heck of a struggle that took a long, long time. I feel others should be able to do what I did with lower thresholds to jobs if they know their work. Trial periods, internships, contract work, and job competency testing should be reasonable options when hiring, regardless of what entity backs them.

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  • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The degree isn’t proof that you know things, but that you can get through a certain set of ordeals.

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  • SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    : ( like yeah man just gimme a change for a sec and you’ll see I can hang with the big dogs

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• InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You can go back to school whenever already friend

  The hypothetical included living costs. Which would let you digest those educational resources to learn. Saying they are there without having a system in play is just ignoring the realities of life.

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  • Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Right, of course I could spend all my time learning stuff. What if I was allowed all my time to be spent learning stuff.

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