It’s extremely telling that you read this:
All violence in a settler colony, including the violence perpetrated by and against the colonizers, is the fault of the colonizers.
And came to the conclusion that it meant “every ‘Israeli’ who died deserved it” rather than “some of them didn’t deserve to die, but their deaths are still the fault of ‘Israel’ because it’s a colonial project that cause this to happen”.
This conflict really brings out the worst in some people. On the one hand, they blame the murder of innocent people on colonialism, and on the other, on the alleged human shield tactic.
Yeah, it did happen because of colonialism. It’s also extremely telling that you present these statements as equivalent, as if “‘Israel’ is a settler colony” and “Hamas use human shields” are in any way equally valid statements.
Aequitas@feddit.org 22 hours ago
My point is that you gloss over the suffering of innocent people while excusing the actions of the respective murderers, just as people on the other side do. Namely, as a necessary and inevitable consequence of the other leaders’ actions. You argue structurally against the innocent victims using the same logic as the supporters of the IDF.
It is a reversal of perpetrator and victim to appease your own conscience. An exaggerated and thus dehumanising tribalism that draws legitimacy for crimes against innocent people from the crimes of another group of actors. It is a misanthropic and cynical logic with which any atrocity could be justified (which is, of course, done constantly around the world).
Hamas and IDF supporters are equally malicious and disgusting. The murder of innocent people is always and fundamentally wrong. Leftists must reject and fight it.
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
As there is colonialism there will be violent resistance. This violence, as well as the initial violence of the colonizers, is the fault of the colonizers.
My point is that you talk in circles to justify your opposition to resistance and therefore your support of genocide.
Aequitas@feddit.org 19 hours ago
It is one thing when innocent people die in armed conflicts. That is bad enough. But it is much worse when innocent people are deliberately targeted. That is simply inexcusable and not the fault of the Netanyahu government. Hamas cannot claim to be resisting when its targets are not the groups or institutions that oppress the Palestinians. One can only come to such a conclusion if one adopts Hamas’ interpretation of who the oppressors are. Namely, all Jews or Israelis by virtue of their origin.
I do not think we can agree on this. My view of humanity is fundamentally different from yours. Discussing normative principles is pointless. However, I find your attitude so cynical and appalling that I no longer wish to engage in further debate. I very rarely do this, but I have now blocked you.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 19 hours ago
Ukraine has targeted and killed civilians in the Russia Ukraine war, so I guess you also believe that Ukraine can’t claim it’s resisting Russia? (Rhetorical question, of course, I know you apply a different standard to white people.)