Ah, OK, so you’re just refuting the idea that Israelites have lived there, in that very same region, for thousands of years, for which we have archaeological and historical data? All of that is a hoax? Like, an Egyptian dude was going “LOL, let’s write those guys in, hilarity will ensue 3000 years later”?
Yes, their descendants are called Palestinians today. This also has nothing to do with the fact that the current conflict is 100 years old and not 1000 or thousands.
Wow, maybe if you elaborated on what you meant, like I asked, then I’d understand what you meant better? Weird how communication works, eh?
I don’t know how much clearer I can make it: this “conflict” is a hundred years old and you are distorting history to support colonialism. The “Israelis” are settlers, the Palestinians are the native population, descended in part from the people “Israelis” claim falsely to be the continuation of.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
So, it’s not about “Israelis vs Palestinians”, or wider, “Israelis vs Arabs”. It’s just literally about the establishment of Israel as a nation? That’s it?
Explain to me, how are you not a proponent of genocide if you want to eliminate a nation?
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Telling that you can’t separate a nation that was founded as a settler colony less than 80 years ago from its entire population.
It’s about colonialism, which is exactly “Israelis” (colonizers) vs. Palestinians (the native people). Again, people like Ben Gurion and Herzl were extremely open about this.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
Why do you consider Israel to be the settler colony, and not Palestine of both peoples were in the exact same situation 80 years ago? Both were living in the region (and spread out all around the world, with a higher percentage of Israelis than Palestinians “roaming”) for thousands of years, both nations were established at the exact same time with the exact same resolution. How is only one of them a “settler colony”?
Again, this is only true if you either ignore all the archaeological and historical evidence we have, or are a fundamentalist extremist who’s calling for a genocide. Which are you?
That’s not how words work, mate.
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
“Israel” is a colony because it was founded by European settlers who OPENLY proclaimed that fact. They gladly and openly bragged that they were displacing and massacring the native Palestinians. All your bullshit about “Israelis” “roaming” is historical revisionism meant to justify the Nakba, which is a genocide.
Settler colonialism requires the displacement and elimination of at least the vast majority of the native population to succeed, it is genocidal by nature. You are a genocide supporter and a genocide denier.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
So anyone who supported the end of Rhodesia or apartheid South Africa was pro genocide.
Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
Which countries have partitioned and taken over the land of Rhodesia and South Africa? You can show me on the map.
LeninWeave@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Zimbabwe.
Post-apartheid South Africa.
A map highlighting the two countries mentioned above.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
Imagine trying to argue that Rhodesia still exists and expecting anyone to take you seriously