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Skavau@piefed.social 3 days agoMy point, in one sentence: it’s not up to the developers of a project building on ActivityPub to define policy regarding “exposure”.
As someone who actually opposed the initial implemention of Piefed’s voting being made non-public to non-instance admins (as much as possible) to other users, I completely disagree. Some people don’t like it and don’t want their votes to be easily accessible to the wider fediverse. The only way that can be implemented currently is by removing federation. Rimu serves that.
This is a good example of *selection bias*. You are getting *most* of your feedback from *other PieFed users*, who clearly are not aware of the implications of such implementation.
No, I’ve seen this opinion from others. It’s also a wider criticism of the viability of the fediverse long-term in that communities are only as long as their hosted instance. This does a lot to mitigate that.
Yes, I am opposed to any functionality being added to the server when it can be solved at the client. Content discovered can be done by the client and using a separate service like Fediverser, fedidb, or anything else. It makes no sense to have this built-in into the ActivityPub server. It is one of the many examples where the piefed devs are adding a feature because they can without thinking whether they should.
Can you tell me exactly what harm this does to the mythical ActivityPub, beyond an instance owner toggling it on in ignorance to their own detriment.
rglullis@communick.news 3 days ago
Then why restrict this logic to “like/dislike” activities, and not extend to any type of activity?
A mitigation is not a proper solution, even less so when it violates other principles in distributed systems.
The harm itself will be for the instance admin later on. Still, the larger point is this solution is a work-around but does not bring any meaningful benefit for others in the Fediverse.
To be honest, though: I don’t know what we are arguing about here. I’ve already said it: I am not here to gate-keep anything. If this the way that the PieFed developers want to do their thing, more power to them. But it’s like you expect me some kind of approval from me. You don’t need that. I may not like 90% of things that Rimu and others are doing, but they don’t owe me anything.
Skavau@piefed.social 3 days ago
Some communities are also, or can be set to local only. What other activities do you have in mind?
So far as I can see, that’s up to the collective fediverse population. You done a poll on this?
It’s not supposed to in this context. It’s for an instance admin who wants to populate the content of their own instance. Although it could be beneficial if it’s an instance for others that is not personal in scope and is supposed to be a wide-use instance.
rglullis@communick.news 3 days ago
Any and all of them? What is so special about
as:likeandas:dislike? There is nothing on ActivityPub preventing users to create posts or announce activities for a different target audience.This is tyranny of the majority. If one person is out there saying “I don’t want to have the data I’ve posted on server A to be presented as if I posted on server B”, then this person will be right to complain if they see their requests being respected.
(And before someone comes up and points fingers at me saying that Fediverser was also copying user posts without their consent: it’s true that the bots were recreating the posts and comments, but they were publishing information on the Fediverse with “actor ids” from Reddit. There is a subtle, but important difference)
Anyway, can we move on from this conversation, please? I am not going to change your mind about it and I don’t want to re-hash past discussions. I’m also not particularly interested in any of the current server-centric Fediverse projects, so you will have a hard time convincing me that anything being done on PieFed is worthy of praise.
Skavau@piefed.social 3 days ago
Well we already have ‘tyranny of the majority’ here regarding a whole host of functions on the fediverse. On reddit voting is entirely private, mod-logs hidden and people now can even hide their posting history. I am sure a non-zero amount of people here object to that (I know some do). But there’s no support for changing that due to the belief prevalent across the fediverse that these being publicly accessible keep the fediverse honest.
Maybe one could have an opt-out toggle in users profiles for potential community migration. Ultimately, I’m in favour of (if this functionality ever actually exists to completely move a community) being widely known. People would join the fediverse knowing that there’s a possibility that the community they’re posting on could, down-the-line, move to another instance and thus ‘move’ their posts and comments within that community.
And I’m just replying to your points from a community perspective. You’re welcome to reply or not.