I keep clicking on these conservative posts hoping to find one worth up voting because I’m tired of the extremist left politics on Lemmy… but clickbait YouTube videos?
Is this just a misinformation effort to divide people or what?
Border Crisis: Shocking Data Reveals Illegal Immigrants Outnumber American Births
Submitted 9 months ago by Gigan@lemmy.world to conservative@lemm.ee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pHgTA7OHRA
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awwwyissss@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Gigan@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I didn’t think it was clickbait, the graphs he presents are all sourced
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I am conservative but I’m not religious. They places me about in the middle of most things since I’m not trying to annoy the religious and I’m not beating the Bible. Extreme left or right is dangerous. Any ideology that ignores other viewpoints is concerning.
PrincessEli@reddthat.com 9 months ago
In the past week, there have been two YouTube links, one of which was an academic-style video.
awwwyissss@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Fair enough, I’ll keep looking for conservative content I feel I can up vote. Fwiw I didn’t downvote this post and did up vote your comment.
Just trying to balance out the radicalism on here, and conservative ideology does have some valid points.
PizzaMane@lemm.ee 9 months ago
PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 9 months ago
This is a good example of misinformation that only works by abusing our the poor critical thinking skills that are quintessentially American.
In the first like…3-4 minutes, this dude is like, “Look! Illegal encounters have soared to new heights! Oh my god, the world is clearly coming from America!” Needless to say, a bunch of people are trying to get into the country.
Then, right after he starts recounting instances of…not exactly crimes…but of people who have been arrested and something bad that happened. He follows it up with “I can tell you hundreds of stories like this”…sure he can…
But let’s assume he can. Go back to that chart about illegal encounters in Joe Biden’s first term: 12,099,904 illegal encounters!
This is a real life problem basically.
If we have 12 million encounters with migrants, and (let’s say) 600 of them will go on to commit crimes, then what are the chances that any given illegal immigrant will commit a crime?
600 over 12 million…do some quick mafs…=0.00005. In other words, assuming we let all 12 million immigrants in, there is a 1/20,000 chance they’ll go on to commit crime. So scary! I bet the crime rate of native born Americans eclipses that by an order of magnitude at least.
And if you think he fairly characterizes AOC’s position, you’d also be wrong. In the clip he played, she’s talking about the current undocumented population within the U.S., not so much letting more in. But then he goes to to criticize what is definitely not AOC’s position from the clip he played.
Then he compares a country to a business. Anyone who buys into that analogy deserves to be treated like corporations treat their lowest employees.
God damn it, I hate this guy. He said earlier, that H1B visa applications had skyrocketed under Biden. These are specialty occupations according to the government. Then, towards the end, he’s like, “Are these people software engineers? Are they coders? Most likely not.” That’s in direct contradiction to what he said earlier about the H1B visa applications.
There is no reason to believe anything this guy says. Even if there is a border crisis, any information from him about anything at all should be summarily dismissed until he gets his shit together.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Hard to call it a conspiracy theory when the statistics are this clear, and the democrats are so clearly pro-illegal immigration.
Plus it’s completely about cheap labor and profit. You know, like slavery. Funny how the democrats are still all about that cheap labor, over a century later. Hell, illegals can’t buy guns legally, just like slaves couldn’t buy guns legally. And how in Jim Crow, ex-slaves couldn’t buy guns.
And yes, the Southern Strategy was the greatest PR campaign ever.
PizzaMane@lemm.ee 9 months ago
the democrats are so clearly pro-illegal immigration.
Not really. The democrats want to unfuck the regulation preventing legal immigration. Until that happens (can’t happen till the GOP stops blocking attempts to reform), the only pathway for a lot of people will be illegal immigration.
And yes, the Southern Strategy was the greatest PR campaign ever.
So then you’re aware that the republican party more closely represents a desire for cheap labor/slave labor than the democratic party. You have no real point.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 9 months ago
You know, like slavery
The democrats just can’t let their past go.
Bongo_Stryker@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
What’s happening here is a derailment of any discussion about sensible border policy, and a distraction from the failure of the border wall plan that a certain republican repeatedly claimed Mexico would pay for (that Mexico never actually paid for), by means of attacking ideological opponents with specious accusations.
The pattern of manipulative behavior used by abusive people has an acronym: DARVO: deny, attack, reverse victim and offernder. So it goes like this: republicans aren’t racist, democrats are the real racists. Republicans were just trying to protect America from a lot of bad hombres but dems are welcoming in illegals to exploit them for cheap labor and votes.
I see loud and accusatory distractions from the fact that the $15 billion border wall is regularly defeated by $5 ladders. I see strange rhetorical diversions around the fact that republicans regularly fly pro-slavery insurrectionist confederate battle flags. I see a strange fascination with the racist democrats of the 1800’s, meanwhile in 2024 senator Tuberville® claims white nationalists are not racists and Rep Crane® refers to African Americans as “colored people” during an anti-woke tirade.
And in the accusation about democrats wanting illegals for cheap labor, "like slaves"as is suggested, never will there ever be any acknowledgement of the decades long republican effort of a race-to-the-bottom erosion of workers rights and devaluation of labor in this country.
Are the democrats so great? No, they are very terrible. The other side is also bad, and is gas-lighteningly evasive and downright dishonest about the part they had to play in creating the current situation.
PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social 9 months ago
The u.s. birt rate has been declining since the 2007 recession. It also declined during the great depression. This is a failing of u.s. economic policy. There's not enough regulations on businesses and the middle class is suffering. Many people don't think it's responsible to bring children into the world when there's no hope for a decent future for them.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/08/20/key-findings-about-u-s-immigrants/
https://econofact.org/the-mystery-of-the-declining-u-s-birth-rate
Gigan@lemmy.world 9 months ago
That’s fine if birth rates are falling (to some extent) but they still shouldn’t be eclipsed by illegal immigration.
PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social 9 months ago
Although illegal migration numbers haven't changed much since 2005, the demographics of illegal immigrants have. It's important to ask why people are illegally migrating into the u.s. A more effective strategy would be to address those issues, especially because the u.s. greatly contributed to destabilizing South and Central America.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/Explainer-IllegalImmigration-PRINT-Final.pdf