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Beeper users say Apple is now blocking their Macs from using iMessage entirely::The Apple-versus-Beeper saga is not over yet it seems, even though the iMessage-on-Android Beeper Mini was removed from the Play Store last week. Now,
You know what to do, the EU Government.
They already have TL;DR: imessage and other big message services must be able to send messages to each other
iMessage isn’t included in that, since it’s not big enough in Europe.
As said by noodlejetski, iMessage usage in the EU is very low. It hasn’t been excempt completely though, it’s pending investigation.
What exactly are you implying they should do?
Apple has already agreed to adopt RCS. Although the exact implementation they didn’t specify and will likely be “bare minimum”.
Antitrust laws prohibits killing off your competition. Just because they will have RCS, doesn’t mean they didn’t actively killed beeper.
Are the any FOSS RCS apps for Android?
I know I’ll get downvotes for this but I switched from Android to iPhone after years and years of using Android while knowing I wouldn’t be able to use iMessage features texting Android users. While knowing I couldn’t and would likely never be easily able to sideload apps, heck even after they had already taken the headphone jack away. I literally do not care about any of that for the purpose for which I use my phone. I just want it to work, without having to endlessly tweak and customize and modify. I like that it does what it says it does out of the box and does so smoothly and reliably.
I like that it integrates well with other apple products. I have exactly 3 contacts I use the native messaging app for. The rest have all been communicating with me through Messenger or Telegram or WhatsApp for years anyway — I’d MUCH rather see governments prioritize making those services talk to each other so I could uninstall two of them but I don’t ever see anyone talking about that even though Apple haters love to bash Apple over iMessage - while ignoring that the RCS protocol Google uses has proprietary bullshit built on top of it meaning that even if Apple adopted the protocol itself the interaction between iPhone and android messages would still be messy.
As I said I know I’ll get downvotes for this but I also know I’m far from alone and this is exactly why Apple has the power it does: it gives its users what they want, even if non-Apple users don’t see it that way. I see so many arguments against Apple that fail to take that into account.
I had an iPhone 13 pro max and it was an excellent device. Everything it could do it did very well and had outstanding battery life, build quality, and cameras.
I only got rid of it because I wanted torrents and emulators. If you’re aware of the limitations of iOS and you’re okay with them, iPhones are really great.
I don’t think you’re supposed to post reasonable, level-headed opinions regarding Apple on here. Against the rules or something
If you’re aware of the limitations of iOS
there are some stupidly ridicilous ones too - like not being to use different volume for the ringer and notifications. Apparently too difficult for apple to implement. 🤦♂️
I don’t understand what you mean by endlessly tweak and customize and modify. None of that is necessary by any means, which makes me question your whole preamble there.
Tried beeper?
Why would you use an OS from a company that openly messes with everything it gives you?
ICQ died for a small fraction of what they are doing, going from the default IM (in some countries, including mine) to something with only red flowers seen in the buddylist when you launch it once a month to get that sleepy graveyard nostalgic feeling, and that happened in a few months.
Now trojans are seen as normal by people who understand that they are talking about a trojan.
We often treat “normies” as people for whom fashion\easiness is more important than the reality of what they are choosing.
But apparently it’s come to the situation where they just can’t escape Apple, MS, Google, others, due to knowledge lacking and being hostage to some functionality and network effects, if such mechanisms are socially relevant now.
Interesting to see this dynamic of choosing protest over using something else.
Almost like all that late XIX and early XX century spirit with Marx and worker movements, only from consumers, really weird.
Why? Because Windows is shit and Linux can’t run the software I need. Also, the Apple OSes are generally pretty nice to use, if you ignore the Apple shenanigans.
Because Windows is shit and Linux can’t run the software I need.
I’ve already answered something like that, but less specific, for you, it was a rhetorical question.
Also, the Apple OSes are generally pretty nice to use, if you ignore the Apple shenanigans.
I’ve tried and felt that Windows may not be so bad, but to each his own.
ICQ… Now there’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time. I used to use the crap out of that service, but I can’t for the life of me recall what killed it anymore than I can recall migrating from AIM.
Microsoft pushed msn messenger as a default in windows… Autostarted the app on login, made a million popups asking people to use it… People stared using it. Usual story.
They started breaking alternative clients intentionally with small protocol changes. Instead of just eating it everybody changed IMs, fast.
like the other person said, modern windows is infinitely worse in just about every aspect of its design (you have to fight it if you just want to use your computer without microsoft 3rd wheeling it) and linux app support ranges from “ok” to “straight up doesn’t exist and cannot be ran through any shenanigans”
Well, I’m a Linux user to the degree that then I argue about other systems, it’s just to blabber, I’m not really interested. It’s “here be dragons” for me, some epilepsy-inducing horror on one side and Johnny Ive (or whatever it is now) on another.
So feel free to not put much effort =)
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Now, Apple customers who used Beeper’s apps are reporting that they’ve been banned from using iMessage on their Macs — a move Apple may have taken to disable Beeper’s apps from working properly, but ultimately penalizes its own customers for daring to try a non-Apple solution for accessing iMessage.
But the latter only found short-lived success, as Apple quickly figured out how to disable Beeper Mini from being able to reliably deliver messages.
The tech giant’s actions soon caught the attention of lawmakers, leading a bipartisan group of legislators to implore the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate Apple’s “potential anticompetitive treatment” of the Beeper Mini application.
Admitting up front that third-party software was to blame would sometimes result in the support rep being able to lift the ban, some noted.
As for Apple, it originally said Beeper techniques had “posed significant risks to user security and privacy, including the potential for metadata exposure and enabling unwanted messages, spam, and phishing attacks.”
Beeper put an end to its efforts to continue to develop an iMessage solution last month after releasing its latest software.
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I’m constantly amazed at people who whine about Apple, if you don’t like their products or their business model, vote with your wallet and buy Android. Don’t try and hack the system, then bitch when they close the exploits. Apple aren’t the first to lockout compromised hardware and they won’t be the last.
I think the issue here is more that interacting with certain companies or services is unavoidable. As an Android user I often will have to interact with iPhone users and the impact of their vendor lock-in techniques is that the experience of those interactions is worse on both sides.
I can’t convince every person to stop using an iPhone, or even just just a different messaging app, most people can’t even agree what to have for dinner…
So users that take it upon themselves to try and improve the experience by trying things like beeper or beeper mini are actually trying to help others maintain their choices and preferences without the degraded experience.
So sometimes a person voting with their dollars isn’t enough, since it’s others choices that still have an impact
Merlin404@lemmy.world 3 months ago
FUCK APPLE, but they have so many people that let them ass fuck them they continue to do shits like this
vmachiel@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Devils advocate here: it’s their webservice right? They determine who can access it.
If there were legislation that would force them to make it interoperable that would be one thing. But you can’t just demand access to their infrastructure.
Deebster@programming.dev 3 months ago
You’re right - but, as Cory Doctorow points out, Apple owe their success to reverse engineering, the thing they’re busy blocking now.
rikudou@lemmings.world 3 months ago
No one is saying what they do is illegal, people just say they are cunts.
helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 months ago
They have interoperability. There are 1000+ interoperable messaging platforms. Problem is they’re not “convenient” since SMS is the only interoperable standard that EVERY phone already has.
There needs to be legislation that requires them to have unlockable bootloaders, to allow 3rd party app stores, and to be able to use other apps for SMS. And it needs to happen 10 years ago.
The fact that you need Apple’s permission before you can install any software on your device, and that Apple gets 30% of EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DIME YOU SEND in literally any fucking app is appalling and embarrassing.
beatle@aussie.zone 3 months ago
Agreed. Apple provides a free service locked to their hardware. It shouldn’t be surprising that they patched the vulnerabilities and blocked accounts.
gregorum@lemm.ee 3 months ago
“How dare you cut me off for violating the TOS like you said you would! I’m entitled to use your private property however I like without your permission or consequences!”
Lmao
o0oradaro0o@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Yeah, I’m sure every beeper user knew the details of the iMessage tos and deserves to be locked out of a major selling point of the he iMac they purchased because they tried to get access to that feature on an android phone. It’s incredibly unlikely anyone getting banned knew it was a possibility.
Just because apple put some bs in a TOS doesn’t make it moral or even necessarily legal.
Anyway maybe don’t be a shill for making the world worse for consumers even if you were correct with this terrible take.