YouTube demonetizes public domain ‘Steamboat Willie’ video after copyright claim::undefined
there should be a mainstream video site that doesn’t respect copyright whatsoever
YouTube demonetizes public domain 'Steamboat Willie' video after copyright claim
Submitted 5 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
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_number8_@lemmy.world 5 months ago
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I think YouTube has made people forget how draconian the DMCA is. YouTube made a special deal with the studios where copyright disputes would be handled by takedowns and demonitization instead of lawsuits against individual posters—on any other site, posters could potentially be exposed to damages in the hundreds of millions of dollars.
Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The DMCA is draconian but YouTube’s system is insidious. The DMCA forces YouTube to take down content upon receipt of a valid takedown notice but it also requires it to put the content back up within 10 days of a counter-notice, at which point if the original complaining party wants to do more they can take it to court.
In contrast, YouTube’s content ID and manual copyright claim system can be more lenient in that it’s less likely to wind up in court as the rights holder can simply demonetize the content or divert monetization to them. However it’s open to a lot of fraud, abuse, conflicts of interest, and Kafkaesque appeals systems.
I have a friend who has ~1M subscribers. He specifically licensed music from an artist for his video intro and outro. Now, every few months out of the blue he gets dozens to hundreds of Content ID claims from obscure music rights management companies who have added remixes of that work to their Content ID databases. Monetization is instantly diverted to these companies. He appeals. The money is not held in escrow pending appeal – the company gets to keep it no matter what. So the first couple of appeals get decided by the company claiming the content. Usually about a week or two later he gets actual YT support to help or he causes enough stink on social media that a YT rep will look at it and fix it. But he’s lost thousands of dollars over this shit.
grue@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The YouTube deal isn’t “instead” of the DMCA; it’s in addition to it. Copyright holders are free to bypass it if they like, and posters are (at least in theory) able to file a counterclaim against the takedown and force the copyright holder to use the DMCA process instead of letting Youtube have the final say.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There is, it’s called the Pirate Bay.
AstralPath@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
I’m all for piracy of greedy corporate media, but copyright is an essential part of ensuring that artists retain control of their creations. If you throw the baby out with the bathwater, you harm independents who might be supporting meager lifestyles on the income from their art.
This is not and never will be a black and white issue.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yup. If I write a book it wouldn’t be right for a publisher to steal it and sell it as their own.
Current intellectual property laws are fucked, but I’m also tired of people who join the circlejerk of “all IP laws are bullshit and they all need scrapped”
tabular@lemmy.world 5 months ago
This is not and never will be a black and white issue.
A great phrase to say you dismiss potential solutions you may not have heard of (or don’t exist yet).
I suggest we have a universal basic income that supports a minimum existence. Artists having control of their creations can still be argued for but now without the “need money to live” aspect. Some artists already disregard copyright by putting works into public domain, or use a creative commons license which uses copyright to undo the restrictions placed on people by copyright.
If I could do anything I’d reduce copyright time limit to 10 years and see how that goes. I’d only keep copyright if I found a another way to enforce copyleft software licenses (to ensure software freedom).
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I believe the words you are looking for is “Linux isos”
red@sopuli.xyz 5 months ago
Could you elaborate as to why you feel that a mainstream platform should exist which doesn’t care if the content uploaded to it is stolen?
I get DMCA trolling, and that fucking sucks, but copyrights are important for the artists and creators trying to make a living from making content.
unreachable@lemmy.world 5 months ago
RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The article hides it in the update.
It’s not significant, that’s how it works. It went into the public domain and the copyright strike process took time to adjust. Disney was never going to fight this.
dynamojoe@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Just as significant (and I suppose still pending) is whether YouTube has re-monetized the video. Systems fail and shit happens, and I’m glad to see that this was quickly un-struck, but it’s not all the way corrected until he’s making his $.0003 per view or whatever the payout is.
ThePantser@lemmy.world 5 months ago
billwashere@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Hell half of these damn copyright claim are automated bots. I guess they forgot to turn this one off.
blusterydayve26@midwest.social 5 months ago
This is significant because this is the first time in the history of copyright bots that they’ve ever had to remove a work from the bot’s registry. Given how rarely it happens, the code to do that probably won’t even be worth the cost of writing for another decade or two: some guy at YouTube will just add a manual exception for that video. (And that’s assuming the best of intention and action from the copy-vio-bot sellers which is unlikely, given their existing behavior.)
RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Exactly, Disney never intended to make trouble with this, and this isn’t a significant historical win for copyright activists.
Ephera@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Well, one problem is that YouTube’s whole “Content ID” process happens specifically outside of copyright law. Google will gladly take down videos without actual copyright problems and they actively shield trolls (normally, a wrong copyright claim is a crime), because it means they won’t have to go to court.
So, it would theoretically be possible for Disney to continue the Content ID claims, even if they’d lose a copyright claim in court.
Google would eventually tell them to fuck off, i.e. to take it to court, but only if the case is clear enough.