When should I start showing someone new to Trek new shows?

Submitted ⁨⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨nokturne213@sopuli.xyz⁩ to ⁨startrek@startrek.website⁩

My wife recently started to show an interest in watching Star Trek. Previously she had seen The Wrath of Khan when she was single digits in age and not much else.

So far we have watched some of the first season of TOS and some other key episodes (still need to show her Mirror Mirror and The Trouble with Tribbles for sure, and probably episodes with Pike, which I think is starting to come up for us soon).

We watched a few episodes of TNG, for some reason Paramount through Amazon started us in the middle of season 3 instead of the season 1. She did not like how Wesley is treated on the show (she is a huge fan of Wil).

From there we moved to Voyager and are about half way through the second season. She is liking it, but not a fan of Neelix (I cannot wait to tell her he improves after Kes is gone) because of his jealousy towards anything that interacts with Kes. I have never finished watching all of Voyager myself, I think I am in season 6 or 7.

I watched all of Discovery (I think I finished anyway), the first Season of Picard, most of Strange New Worlds, and some of Lower Decks. Since she has said she wants to watch the new stuff with me I am doing my best to not watch it all so I have some new episodes with her.

At what point would you move from the old stuff to the new stuff to keep someone from being too confused? Or if confusion arises would you go back and watch the old stuff to answer questions? I know we will not watch Picard until we have gotten well into the Borg stuff in Voyager and some episodes of TNG dealing with it.

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BB69@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There’s some guides for the “best” TOS episodes. Go find one of those and cherry pick in order.

Then restart TNG. The way Wesley is treated is character development for everybody.

All of DS9

All of Voyager

Then the newer stuff. I’d leave SNW for last since it’s still releasing episodes. Lower Decks you can do whenever, I feel like it’s easier to pick up and watch than the others.

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- canis_majoris@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  A lot of LD won’t land as much if you don’t really know all the references. I guess it’ll be the opposite of what most of us experience which is the original content and then the references, it’ll still be fun to have all the references show up in LD and then uncover them in live action.
  
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  - StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It really depends on the person.
    
    I wouldn’t assume that it works best in that direction even though that’s great for long time fans like us.
    
    There is an entire new cohort of younger fans for whom Lower Decks was their entry point. It’s successful because you don’t need to get all the Easter eggs and references to still find it an enjoyable show.
    
    In fact, I see a lot of those Lower Decks-first fans talking about how the show gave them enough reference points to really enjoy the classic shows and be open to their slower pacing.
    
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  - BB69@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah that’s what I’m saying, save the new stuff for last, LD included.
    
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  - thessnake03@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You can still enjoy LD on its own, you just won’t pick up on all the Easter eggs. SNW and LD are modern shows and what a modern audience more of what they expect these days (DIS too, but it being heavily serialized may be AA turn off to more causla viewers). TOS can be very campy at times, a product of it’s times, which makes it hard for some.
    
    I guess what I’m getting at, is that it’s OK to enjoy the new stuff without knowing the 50+ years of backstory.
    
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CCMan1701A@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m not too into the new showes as much as the older ones. I think Trek peaked with Deep Space Nine and Voyager, but this is just my opinion and many will disagree. Lol

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- michaelgemar@mstdn.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  @CCMan1701A @startrek I haven’t liked Discovery or Picard, but I’ve *really* enjoyed Strange New Worlds, and Lower Decks has been a surprising delight.
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  - CCMan1701A@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I do like watching strange new worlds and lower decks, but I don’t like rewatching the newer showed.
    
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Cagi@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Why not just go through it in order? Make the new stuff a treat earned for getting through everything else. I’d start with the TOS pilot and go forward. She’ll either like trek or she won’t, jumbling it up isn’t goi g to make her like it more, but it may make her like it less.

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- StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Don’t impose your preferences for doing things in sequence or being a completionist on new viewers please. This seems really bad advice and likely to turn off more potential fans than pull them in.
  
  OP’s question is about how to figure out how to engage someone in the franchise who seems to have her own specific preferences, and things that put her off.
  
  I’m a viewer who first saw TOS as a small child when it was in first run, and everything in first run after that. It for others, there’s a whole range of shows for different tastes, best to figure out which one suits someone’s tastes and pull them into the franchise with that.
  
  When we wanted to introduce our kids to the franchise, we started with TAS, then curated episodes from the other series. Like many tween, Voyager turned out to be ‘their show’ and it makes sense that Prodigy is strongly tied to Voyager. Our kids have moved onto other Trek shows and other franchises as they’ve moved through their teens. TOS, DS9 & Enterprise remain shows that they’ll watch occasionally. But one can never say that they’ve not liked Trek.
  
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ValueSubtracted@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

At what point would you move from the old stuff to the new stuff to keep someone from being too confused?

I don’t think confusion is a big concern - if she has some basic familiarity with the franchise, it shouldn’t take much more than explaining when the series is set. Beyond that, each show should stand on its own.

The only possible exception to this is “Picard,” which is the most reliant on a previous series, but even then, the show should give the viewer enough information to watch it on its own terms.

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Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
When should you introduce her to the new shows?

After watching the old ones, of course!

Start with TOS, move on to the first set of movies, watch TNG, DS9 and Voyager, generations to nemesis, THEN you start on the new shows.

I mean, technically you could show in some kind of chronological order, but then she’s going to be frustrated by the differences in technology. Especially discovery. They reeeeeally wanted to be more high tech than anything else while still wanting to be set before most things we’ve seen. IMO, it’s very jarring and doesn’t work well. But I just ignore the “it’s before everything else” problem and it’s a decent show.

I’m certainly biased, but I feel shows should be shown in the order they aired, not the order they’re supposed to go according to Canon. They are a product of their time, for better or worse, and most issues I feel are more easily sidestepped if you view them as such, all together. Seeing the strings on the enterprise two episodes in a row is a lot easier when you don’t have to compare it with ~~pike’s sexy hair~~ modern cgi space battles.

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wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I had this same question come up recently.

A friend of mine was out of town in a store that has a lot of entire series on BD or DVD (as well as movies of course), and he knew I was constantly referencing Star Trek, and he asked where he should start.

I didn’t have much time to think since he was already in the store and had limited time. All things considered, I went with TNG as the perfect spot to start.

He’s someone I used to work with a few years ago, and we play games together a lot. Knowing him (and just younger people in general), TOS would be so hard to watch with how dated it is. If not just the sexist and racist parts, then even for me it’s hard to look at given how LCARS showed up and instantly made all the technology look immediately centuries behind.

But ever since then, it’s looked mostly the same. At least until SNW and Disco. So I told him as much as I felt I could without boring him about where it’s set in relation to the original show. 6 movies and 3 and a half series in, if I counted correctly.

But if he ends up being interested, I’ll have him go through the other 2 golden era shows before going back for TOS.

Except I will have him watch the Tribble episode before he watches the DS9 episode about it.

He already had a small knowledge of it, the basic identity of who Kirk and Spock were, and the idea that it is a multi-show and many movie kinda franchise (I guess like a STU, which is MCU but for ST)

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- nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The racism and sexism in TOS has been an issue for us watching it. It is much more mild than other shows of its time, but it is still there. I also watched TOS as a small child and most of that stuff went over my head, but now watching it again in my 40s it really is cringeworthy. That said, I know there are a number of key episodes that should be watched, and I know some of these elements go away (or lessen) as the show progresses.
  
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  - Can_you_change_your_username@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    There were protests and threats aimed at TOS for being too progressive, particularly on racial issues. TOS didn't make the command structure clear but as bridge officers and department heads Uhura and Sulu can't be any lower than 6th in command and TOS had the first interracial kiss on television. Yeah it's pretty bad looking back at it now but keeping in mind that the first season aired less than 2 years after the end of segregation helps temper the shock.
    
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  - wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Exactly. That’s why I wanna get him hooked on the show before bringing that up.
    
    Although we just finished Code of Honor, which is a low point for this show. But it’s out of the way early, so it’s all uphill from here.
    
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porthos@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Ok I know people will say this is weird but watch through Star Trek Enterprise with Captain Archer since that was supposed to be a reboot for Star Trek that pulled in new fans. Make sure to make fun of it when it gets too absurd and always have a lighter nearby to hold up during the theme song.

Then go through TNG, Voyager and DS9 jumping between them every episode so you move through all three at the same time. I have been watching Star Trek with my gf this way and it is really fun to compare between the shows and it makes the bad episodes of any one particular series less exhausting because you get to take a break from that show.

Whenever you feel like it watch newer trek and catch up on it, I like all of it and some of it is really good.

Sprinkle in TOS episodes as you go, especially when there are direct callbacks to specific episodes (the SNW episode that echoes a TOS episode is a blast to watch right after watching the associated TOS episode they did such a good job).

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- nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I have been debating Enterprise, I really enjoyed the show. It was the first ST content that came out when I was an adult and the only series I watched every episode as it aired (save one or two that I missed because I got home late). My wife and I were just married when it released (less than two weeks) and she would sit on the couch and read while I watched it.
  
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Pengilly@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I might not have even close to the same level of experience watching Star Trek as everyone else, but I think you can’t go wrong with starting her on on TNG. My dad started me on TNG, and I’ve been a huge fan of it ever since. It’s perfect for a new fan, since the show still makes sense even without watching the other series (though he has also shown me some of the original movies). And it lacks a lot of the sexism present in the OG series, which can be a turn off.

Though I found the first episode a little boring, it quickly got awesome as it went on. I’ve only watched that show and Discovery, but I’m pretty sure it will stay my favorite. The characters are likeable, Picard’s a strong leader, and Data is a great foil for the rest of the cast.

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chahk@beehaw.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’d recommend release order because there are callbacks and crossovers, cameos, etc. that tie these shows together. You could watch the in any order, but you’d get more enjoyment out of picking up all the references and easter eggs. So, TOS -> (maybe TAS) -> movies 1 through 5 -> TNG -> movie 6 -> DS9 -> VOY -> movies 7 through 9 -> ENT. Then modern stuff like DSC, SNW, PIC, Prodigy, and LD.

That said, there’s no need to watch every single episode of every show. Back on Reddit there were guides of “essential” episodes for each season of every series. Here’s one for TNG. I’m sure you could find this for other shows too.

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