Submitted 10 months ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website to startrek@startrek.website
The movie wasn't that well-liked and wasn't the perfect send-off for the original crew of Star Trek.
What a weird thing to say. I've always heard it described as one of the best TOS films and I always found the ending quite an emotional and fitting send-off to the TOS crew.
What a weird thing to say. I’ve always heard it described as one of the best TOS films and I always found the ending quite an emotional and fitting send-off to the TOS crew.
His feelings might be related to his plan for the sixth film involving the TOS crew being forcibly retired and then slaughtered.
Interesting read. Half of that feels like the plot points of Picard season 3. Perhaps inspiration
I think the ending needs some work but I like the concept.
I don't know if the boomers could write a story about getting old wisely, particularly not way back then. I like the idea of showing different characters managing getting older, both in positive and negative ways, and perhaps some characters having an arc.
Kirk would definitely be trying to keep living his glory days. He already looked like an idiot wrassling Klingons in Star Trek 3, by 6 he should be seeing the consequences of his insistence on playing hero, a washed up captain with a growing number of failed missions because he keeps trying to go down and fight the bad guy and kiss the lady and he just isn't capable of it anymore. His arc would be learning to let go of the day to day battles, and leaning into his wisdom earned by a lifetime of work in the field to help raise the next generation of people who will be taking over after him. In the actual canon just as Kirk never faced the Kobayashi maru challenge head on, his character never actually faced aging head-on and died in a battle including 3 old men.
The idea that McCoy would stop being a doctor is dumb, many doctors practice until they die of old age. His arc would be about coming to grips with the reality that he has a limited amount of time left and what that means.
Spock would be an investigation of what it means to have more time since he'd be a young man in Vulcan terms, looking at aging from an alien perspective, but hey we introduced a new family member last movie how about we introduce sarek's dad who is in the final stages of Vulcan decline and the consequences of having people be such reliable pillars for so long and then losing them.
Scotty's story of becoming a drunk stays, it's too interesting to not do something with.
Uhuras story should be a future reflection on a life for a woman that was much different than the life of a woman in the 60s when TOS first aired, an opportunity to show how different gene's future was than the present of 40-60 years ago.
Contrasting to Kirk who was the captain in his prime winning all the fights and getting all the chicks, Checkovs (sorry Koenig) character would be a reflection of a life of regret, of opportunities not taken. His arc would be about making peace with his past self and taking steps to constructively manage his future.
Sulu could be shown taking an entirely different path, such as a strategic command, and his arc would be about using his wisdom and experience from the enterprise adventures to advise the fleet.
With all this, I think two huge threats are too much. Galactic war or youth worms, and I think Galactic war makes way more sense for the last hurrah.
You'd start off with a captains log and the on a routine mission to transport Spock in his role as a diplomat to mediate a dispute on a planet. Smash cut to a battle between Kirk and a klingon. The dialogue would suggest Kirk quickly sniffed him out with his experience, but while he puts up a good fight ultimately he loses the fight. He beams up and a space battle starts with a klingon ship. He issues competent commands and wins the battle but just a beat too late so the ship takes some hits and some people die. Later he's admonished by Starfleet command and given an ultimatum that he either accepts a role as an admiral commanding fleets or he can retire, and he can make the decision when he gets back to earth but for now his first officer is in command of the ship. Just as they are about to set a course for earth they get a message that war has broken out with the Klingons and the Enterprise is needed immediately to participate in the war effort.
Anyway better stop here or I'll write a whole script lol
I can see why Koenig wasn’t really happy about his role. I can see why a lot of them weren’t.
For Chekov, this isn’t a good posting for him. He is still a commander, and worse is that he is only second officer. It makes sense why Kirk is on the Enterprise still, but not Chekov. Worse, Chekov doesn’t really do that much. Functionally, Valeris seems to fill more of the role of second officer than Chekov does. Chekov’s most remembered line was only said by him because Nichols refused to say it.
Both McCoy and Uhura display gross incompetence at their posts. McCoy has served as a doctor on the front line with Klingons around for decades; he should have been educated about their physiology. Uhura is even worse in not being able to speak Klingon; it is good that later versions of her character highlight her linguistic skills.
Unless Starfleet is testing out new technology, it really doesn’t make sense that Scotty is the chief engineer of the Enterprise unless Starfleet is still pissed off about the Excelsior.
Even though the movie was partially written by Nimoy, it really doesn’t make sense why Spock is still in Starfleet at this point at the rank of Captain. Either Spock should outrank Kirk since he is making Admiralty level decisions or already be in the diplomatic service as he is by the time of TNG.
Only Kirk makes sense. He is a washed up Captain; never able to make it to bad admiral status. He gets to keep his ship, but Starfleet seems to use him as a pawn in diplomatic missions due to his noteriety with other powers.
Uhura not speaking Klingon at this point in the story bothers me so much.
He shouldn’t complain, at least they had his hair under control by then. Can’t say the same for TOS.
Corgana@startrek.website 10 months ago
Is this engagement bait? TUC is almost always ranked first or second among ALL Trek films.
The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 10 months ago
That struck me as strange too… I really like Star Trek VI
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Classic click bait engagement … just post the opposite of popular opinion and people will flock to your part of the internet to disagree with you.
They say it’s the best way to find solutions to common computer problems whether it’s Windows, Mac OS or Linux … just post the wrong answer or assumption and actual professionals or knowledgeable technicians will chime in to correct you. If you just plainly ask for help with a specific problem, you seldom get a response but if you touch on people’s sense of anger or negativity, they’re more likely to react.
gregorum@lemm.ee 10 months ago
According to nobody, lmao