Memory Soup

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• RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Alright, I am certainly not an expert when it comes to transformation of caterpillars into butterflies but this is very likely a massive and incorrect oversimplification of the process.

  I mean this makes it sound like if you poke a hole into the cocoon it will just drip goo out until its empty.

  Happy to be corrected by a real expert but very likely transformation occurs in coordinated small steps and not just everything melts and rematerializes.

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  • Mozingo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So from what I can find, you’re right in that it’s not 100% goo, but it’s not really “coordinated small steps either”. It’s a messy fluid process that all sort of happens at once. When caterpillars are inside their chrysalises, they first digest themselves by releasing an enzyme. But this enzyme doesn’t break down everything. Some organs are completely dissolved, but most only partially, and are moved around remodeled into their butterfly counterparts. As for the entirely new parts, like wings, they’ve actually been inside the caterpillar since before the cocoon as these tiny clumps of cells call imaginal discs, and it’s only during metamorphosis that they begin to develop into their full size organ. It’s really cool, and you should read more about it. I’m no expert, so I’m sure I explained it badly, but here’s some good links.

    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6711294/

    downloads.hindawi.com/journals/…/062863.pdf

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    • Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So they only become half goo, with internal organs flying around

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  • notabot@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m not an expert, but there’s a good overview of the process here: Nat Geo. You can de-paywall it at the usual places. They describe it more as “an organised broth full of chunky bits” as some organs don’t break down.

    It’s a fascinating process either way.

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    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So… it’s more a stew than a soup?

      ….in a pod?

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  • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Here’s the paper:

    journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/jour…

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    • RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, a paper that they retain “memories”. I didn’t doubt that. I doubted the “turns completely into goo and then solidifies as butterfly” part. And from what I can tell after skimming the introduction of the paper this is only covering the behavioural aspect.

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    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So, if you happen to know them… I have a question.

      How doped up on hormones are they? Like, maybe they’re just having the time of their life, Brain riding high on dopamine or whatever butterfly’s have for pleasure, and they don’t even realize what’s going on.

      Then, when they pop out and realize what they’ve been doing run off to the shower trying not to think about it

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  • heeplr@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What’s surprising? You can basically poke a hole in any living thing and goo will drip out if the hole is large enough.

    OP pointed out the fascinating specialty of complete transformation with an intermediate gooey state.

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    • TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You can basically poke a hole in any living thing and goo will drip out if the hole is large enough

      That’s everyone’s morning routine, no?

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• Jerb322@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I turned on my phone flash light to find my phone…

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  • rosymind@leminal.space ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We all have those days, friend

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• codblopsii@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I could have lived my whole life, happy, never knowing ‘angry’ butterflies existed or that they could become angry. Horrible large winged shit flies.

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• dope@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Caterpillar : hanging from a branch and wrapping yourself in silk delivers a righteous buzz.

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• RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Neon Genesis Evangelion finally making sense

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