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https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/30/women_in_tech_survey/
Tech bros’ attitude to female colleagues stuck in dark ages::Research sheds light on attitudes holding industry back
“In the UK, they pay women 26 percent less than their male counterparts,”
Wow, I’m surprised the UK doesn’t have laws preventing gender based pay discrimination.
Most of these studies are nonsensical and don’t take into account things like whether the person works full or part time, or looks at average lifetime earnings. Both of which completely ignore that women very often either stop working or go part time when pregnant/raising children.
Anybody who actually thinks that for the same job a woman’s wage is 26% less needs their head examined. It’s not true and only gets pushed in media because it riles both sides up and gets clicks/engagement.
If governments actually wanted to do anything about the average lifetime earnings difference between men and women, they should make getting childcare cheaper, because it disproportionately affects women. But they don’t.
It boils down to choice of career, work/life balance, experience level, and assertiveness.
spend the first 20 years of their lives conditioning girls to be demure
mfw when women are not as assertive as men
We live in a fuckin society
Discrimination is still a factor, but yeah, society corrals women into certain fields that don’t pay as much.
I’m sure they do and it’s misleading stat. These studies always find a way to get the result they want instead of the one that’s honest.
They probably do, they just don’t proactively enforce them.
I work a tech job at a corporate company that isn’t a tech company. 9/10 males have been delightful. They have hired women as head of IT twice in a row now. But there was one coworker who immediately assumed and acted like I knew nothing. He may do that to everyone though to seem smarter and superior… very ambitious guy. I also suspected it may have also been influenced by the non-US culture he grew up in.
I also suspected it may have also been influenced by the non-US culture he grew up in.
How so?
I think the answer to that should be obvious, and you are only asking so you can argue and call me racist. So I will not engage.
Tech bros’ attitude to female colleagues stuck in dark ages
Almost one in five […]
Imagine if the article started with
Feminists attitude to men stuck in the dark ages
Almost one in five
Would you take it seriously?
20% is not good, but that title makes it seem like it’s 80%.
The female IT colleagues I’ve had have been just like med: OK to stellar. The only absolute IT knobhead I’ve had the displeasure of dealing with was a dude, and the only non-IT dickhead colleague was a woman.
Back in college most of the few women in my course got their grades using their breasts. Fact.
The few women i’ve worked with professionally have been good professionals, some of the best even.
Studies say™ is pretty damn irrelevant these days. If that inequality is true, governments should act. Most have legislation against this kind of legislation, but that’s it, paper. There are very few government officials actually controlling these issues proactively, if any at all. Plus few companies make salaries public and it’s not common to discuss paycheck.
Ensuring neither the company nor the worker gets penalized for pregnancy/newborn care would probably help a lot.
No, i’m not denying there’s a bias, there most likely is, especially in IT. But in paychecks, for that reason alone, not so much… for sure there are lots of people in the same company in the same role with the same skillset and generally about equal in all the job requirements who do have differences in their salaries, but i’d wager that’s more related to how well they negotiated during the hiring process.
When someone says “fact” I expect to see a fact. As in, evidence that makes something stated as a fact an actual fact. Otherwise it’s just an anecdote, and no better than the anecdotes in the article linked above.
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I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise
This is the best summary I could come up with:
It is still 2023, yet anyone familiar with the industry over the last 30 years may feel a sense of déjà vu when reading the findings of a report by The Fawcett Society charity and telecoms biz Virgin Media O2.
It claimed: “By seeing more female role models in tech, young girls will start to see IT as a realistic and attractive career option.”
Those daring enough to delve deeper into history will find that far from women being “naturally less well suited” to the industry, they actually helped found it and provided the backbone of its early workforce.
Historian Mar Hicks, associate professor at Illinois Institute of Technology, has plotted how women staffed early IT departments during the 1950s because the work was seen as uninspiring and lacking in career cachet.
Among her employees was Ann Moffatt, who coded the black box recorder for the Anglo-French supersonic passenger jet Concorde.
The “move fast and break things” culture embodying post-millennium tech claims to be the great disruptor in everything – except the numbing predictability of sexism.
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This article and study seems pretty toxic to me. Acting and talking like these human beings are lab rats in order to push an agenda. Seems incredibly sexist in my eyes.
That’s called sociology
Female dominated cultural spaces are intolerable to me. Male dominated cultural spaces are intolerable to them.
It’s almost like there’s a difference in genders and maybe you should let men and women self segregate along lines of interest.
_number8_@lemmy.world 1 year ago
worst time of my life was when i was in computer science. i’m a guy but still - that hyper competitive shit is horrilbly toxic. letters on a computer don’t need to be boot camp toughen up bullshit.
vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Honestly, I fare even worse in blue collar type environments. YMMV depending on your upbringing and general tolerance, but a lot of the “playful banter” I witness is stuff that would have you expelled from student associations these days.
0x0@programming.dev 1 year ago
You’re only allowed to criticize the tech bros now, otherwise you’re deemed toxic too.