Apple considered ditching Google for DuckDuckGo in Safari’s private mode | But Apple exec argued DuckDuckGo wasn't as private as believed.

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• RQG@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The classic “let’s use the worst option because the alternative isn’t perfect” fallacy.

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  • PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ironically suitable for Apple products.

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• unconsciousvoidling@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Still more private than google.

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  • tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just not being Google is sometimes enough for me.

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    • wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “then why aren’t you using Bing?”

      angny mob turns to face me

      “that’s what I thought lol”

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• JasSmith@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Apparently Google is paying Apple upwards of $20B per year now for search default, so it’s not hard to see why they’re sticking with Google. It does highlight one of many potential anti-trust violations.

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  • akilou@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just goes to show that for all of Apple’s bullshit marketing, they care more about money than anyone’s privacy. I’m tired of people characterizing Apple like they’re a privacy company.

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    • qaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The amount of shits given about privacy is directly linked to the amount of money made from doing so.

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    • drahardja@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think Apple still cares more for user privacy than just about any other consumer electronic company out there today. Google’s Play Services mines way more user data than iOS does. However, Apple’s foray into Services will no doubt start them well down the slippery slope of monitoring and monetization, so I think erosion is inevitable to fuel Services revenue.

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• jet@hackertalks.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Considered is doing lots of work in this title

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  • dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Samsung considered too…for a whole lot of 2 days before saying “nah”.

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• Gazumi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m not a great as an Apple Exec, but I think he’s wrong.

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  • doublejay1999@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think you are.

    The bar is not a high one, if that is his best argument for avoiding Google.

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  • Fuzzypyro@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But he’s actually right. It does serve ads and it uses bing trackers despite them claiming they don’t track you.

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    • SeaJ@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They block Bing trackers.

      arstechnica.com/…/microsoft-trackers-run-afoul-of…

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    • Tetsuo@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also DDG is US based and has to submit to all the privacy invading American agencies. And they could be under a gag order nobody would ever know.

      If privacy was a genuine concern for DDG they would have never based their business in the US.

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    • Gazumi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Relative vs absolute concern here. Google is absolutely terrible, just in the past 24 hours we’ve learned more of their insidious methods. DDG is relatively saintly, compared to most other public search engines

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    • Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Can you recommend a search engine that doesn’t do that?

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• jeena@jemmy.jeena.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  DucDuckGo is just a frontend for Bing, why doesn’t Apple create their own search engine?

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  • tsonfeir@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because search is dead. Info is king. The next thing is chat gpt type stuff through siri. Apple doesn’t have to sell you ads when you live in their ecosystem.

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  In iOS 17, Apple recently made it easier to use alternatives to Google search in the Safari web browser’s private browsing mode—but the company considered going even further by making DuckDuckGo, which is marketed as a more private alternative, the default choice in that context.

  As reported by Bloomberg’s Leah Nylen, the information came to light when Amit Mehta, the US District Judge who is handling the US antitrust trial over Google search, unsealed transcripts of testimonies by DuckDuckGo CEO Gabriel Weinberg and Apple SVP of machine learning and AI strategy John Giannandrea.

  Giannandrea worked as Google’s head of search before his current role at Apple.

  These conversations happened in the wider context of the antitrust trial over Google search, which, by some estimates, accounts for 90 percent of the market.

  Judge Mehta is looking closely at Google’s deal with Apple as the trial weighs whether the search giant’s dominance is anti-competitive in the US.

  For DuckDuckGo’s part, a company spokesperson was quoted in Bloomberg saying that the search engine takes measures to prevent “hosting and content providers from creating a history of your searches,” in contrast to Giannandrea’s statement that DuckDuckGo wasn’t as comprehensively private as it claimed.

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• Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Man, that would be huge for DuckDuckGo if this were to happen.

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