Submitted 1 year ago by lalo@discuss.tchncs.de to fediverse@lemmy.world
Libp2p or similar stack could be used to provide the phone instance an address, caching could be distributed among peers. Of course, as long as other servers also support libp2p.
What would be the up/downsides?
as others have mentioned there are storage and battery concerns but also Lemmy works best when its consistently available. Then theres the whole roaming IP problem if youre moving on cell networks. Federated instances and communities often won’t be able to find you for updates.
ActivityPub is all about pushing content around to subscribing servers. It sort of expects the subscribers to always be online which would not work for a phone. Servers could resend missed events, but essentially you would miss every event that occurs while the phone is asleep or doesn’t have the app running.
Also, every event that occurs needs to be processed and stored whether or not you are actively looking at it so it would be a huge battery drain while it was running.
It is definitely a service best run on an always-on server with a client application in a phone just asking the server for the latest stuff on-demand.
Events could be cached on the p2p network, so the phone only pings its peers for new content (mind the existing servers would be peers on the network).
Then the p2p network is really the “server” and the phone is still just a client. I’m also not sure that a p2p network could be queried very well because something would have to be able to produce aggregated and sorted results. It isn’t like pulling one file from a swarm. It would be like a blockchain and the phone would have to download the whole dataset from the p2p network before running queries on it.
What you are talking about sounds kind of like the Nostr protocol. It is a distributed social network trying to solve the same problem that ActivityPub is but in a slightly different way. All the events are cached on multiple relays and the client applications query those relays looking for information that gets aggregated and sorted on the client however it wants.
“Could be”? I mean yes almost everything is possible but you’re talking about a completely different protocol.
That’s a terrible idea and you should never run any kind of service from your phone.
You can use old phones to run file servers…
Maybe not permanently. But for straight up tinkering to see if/how possible it is, it’d be a fun experience.
I dunno. If you could run some distro like mobian on some phone with an 8 core processor, could be a decent choice for a little instance.
I think you'd want to use a phone with USB C then use a powered USB-C dock with wired ethernet, but get to square 0 and I bet you'd have something that could really sit there just serving for a long time. I'd be a little concerned with IO access since the internal MMC would be constantly hammered, but there are USB-C external drive enclosures you could easily use that for storage and not have to worry about mutilating your phone's mmc.
Part of me wants to try sometime just to prove it can be done.
I think it would be, but not in the way you're thinking.
ActivityPub is based on servers with domain names and accessible IP addresses communicating with each other. It's mandatory based on the fundamental design of the standard.
So if you were running one of the phones that can run a straight linux distribution, and you connected it to a permanent internet connection as a web server and copy of lemmy with a domain name, then it's possible. But it's no longer a phone, it's a server with the form factor of a phone.
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Its technically possible but not a great idea, lemmy instances take a good chunk of power and storage. And a phone will run out of battery very fast, so you’ll need to charge it permanently, wich will wear out the phone fast. A raspberry pi would be better suited for it.
lalo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
You wouldn’t need to run the service 24/7, just whenever you’re using Lemmy and maybe a few minutes after so your interactions can propagate trough the p2p network. Also the existing servers could be used to cache and relay.
dandroid@dandroid.app 1 year ago
I run my own instance, and that’s not really how it works. While the instance is off, it isn’t receiving new posts. So when you turn it on and log in, there will be nothing new for you to view. Everything you will see will be the same stuff as when you logged off last time. On top of that, while your instance is off, all the other instances that are federated with you will constantly be trying to communicate with your instance, causing all the other instances to do more work. Recently a change went into lemmy to automatically block instances that have reliability issues. And if other instance admins are watching their logs, they will probably block your instance anyway (lemmy.world has done this occasionally).
Your lemmy instance needs to have at least 98% uptime imo. If it goes down for a few days rarely, it’s not a big deal. But shutting it down 80% of the time and only having it up while your using it will be bad for the lemmyverse and for you, the user.
A raspberry pi is inexpensive and is a much better solution, as it can be wired in all the time.
CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Thats a even worse idea and basically bo different than just using a already hosted server…