Remember Sean Aloysius O'Brien on this auspicious day. Happy Labor Day!

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• downpunxx@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  While I'm as pro Union as they come, I do not personally believe Labor Is Entitled To All It Creates, there's a place for Entrepreneurial, Investment, Ownership and Management cut outs, but I believe these percentages should be strictly monitored and regulated. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If they actually do any labor in those tasks, then yes. Labour doesn’t necessarily mean the bottom level stuff. Management still takes work. Setting up new businesses takes work.

    Investment and ownership intrinsically aren’t really labor though. Just owning the company doesn’t add anything of value to anyone. Investing is more like a trade agreement.

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    • smollittlefrog@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Many projects take a long time to become profitable. The workers would starve until then.

      Because of that, they need to borrow wealth to be able to keep working on the project until it becomes profitable.

      The concept of lending wealth is therefore necessary.

      Noone is gonna accept the risk of lending out wealth unless they expect some gain, some profit.

      Therefore the workers promise to not only repay the lent wealth but to also pay on top of that, perhaps a share of the project’s profit.

      Hence the concept of profitable investment is necessary.

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  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I believe these percentages should be strictly monitored and regulated

    By labor.

    Worker coops for everyone!

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  • SlikPikker@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Management is either labor, or entirely parasitic.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Management should be considered a part of labor in this regard. Intellectual labor is labor and a situation in which management is beholden to those they lead but seen as part of it is where I’d consider ideal. It could be a situation like union stewards where they’re elected from the rank and file or a situation where they seek out someone with the specific skills they’re looking for in the same way they might hire a maintenance worker.

    I do think there’s room for a limited reward for entrepreneurial and investment costs, but the idea that they have control in perpetuity is where I have issues. I think a situation where they’re automatically bought out for a reasonable return on investment given the risk is fair enough. Though I worry it will perpetuate the issue of wealth begetting wealth

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• The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I somehow didn’t connect that this post was for labor day the first time. I closed Lemmy and then it hit me.

  I need caffeine.

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  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That's because the real Labor Day is May 1st. America changed it so it was less communist.

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• Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Do you own the machinery that makes what you’re helping to make? Most things aren’t made by your hands alone.

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  • GreenMario@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The machines are but worthless scrap without the human labor to operate it.

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    • Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They cost more too. Point is the boss has made numerous monetary investments and you just sell your time to make them work.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    At the last few jobs I’ve had? Yeah. Cheap bastards made me buy my own fucking tools

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    • Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Would that make you a contractor? You own the tools you use then you can go wherever else. If you aren’t a contractor then refuse and go elsewhere.

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  • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    To quote a wise and angry man: "Fuck the G rides, I want the machines that are makin' em"

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• intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Guinness stout one pint, 6 degrees centrigrade

  zzzt!

  Well that’s my work for the day!

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  • teft@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Now it’s time to hunt some jerries in the battle of britain.

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    • cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      According to my calendar we were finally going to defeat Santa Anna today

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• teft@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This post sponsored by the mirror universe teft.

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