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• Spacehooks@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I always thought it based in Christianity.

  “For it was eve that ate the apple an now women must be subservient to men” least that’s how I hear it. I heard from a female american colleague that she struggled with male trash telling her to get in kitchen and out of office back in 90s but better in recent years. I heard one older (60s) male coworker write a formal written complaint on that specific woman. Like wtf? That bloke never had time for emails but will complain about the new woman in the office? Now it seems right wing brain rot is making things complicated. I worry for future women.

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  • trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We have Christians and mysogynist idiots in Europe as well, so I doubt that explains the difference

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    • Spacehooks@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I dk murica has mega churches and the like. Its like their whole thing.

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    • realitista@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      As someone who’s spent half his life on each continent, there are few religious nuts in Europe that can hold a candle to the crazy of American religious nuts.

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    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Well, yeah…

      If someone was completely ignorant about how America was first “settled” by religious extremists, that would make sense.

      European most extreme zealots who wanted to force everyone to follow their rules were mad they were minorities in Europe, so they all signed up to come to America where they would be a majority and have a shit ton of kids to maintain that majority.

      The “idiots” you have in Europe, are the ones not extreme enough to cross an ocean to force their beliefs on people, so fucking obviously the most extreme in Europe won’t be as extreme as the ones that left.

      Like, logically you should have been able to figure this out.

      Just in general tho…

      When someone says something you’re not aware of, why don’t you just ask some fucking questions and then next time it comes up, you won’t be ignorant.

      Like, that’s how this whole “learning” thing works.

      What you’re doing is just telling everyone you’re ignorant, and hoping someone takes a minute to proactively explain things to you.

      But it’s almost guaranteed you’re gonna get belligerent about it and I’m gonna end up blocking you.

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  • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Most people form their opinions first then make up a reason for having them that is usually not true but is the most socially acceptable reason.

    The Bible is full of stories that are vague and can be interpreted however you like to support any point.

    Like how the angel Gabriel that came to Mary asked her for her consent to carry Jesus. Which supports pro choice.

    The true reason for misogyny is the same reason for racism.

    People in power benefit from it.

    And it allows the majority to feel superior over another class , keeping them more docile against the rulling class.

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    • Spacehooks@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That Might be the legit root cause of a chunk of things sadly.

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• Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Sweden is a much smaller and far more homogenous country than the US. They didn’t need intersectionality to succeed.

  Sweden used to be run by the Social Democrats for decades and they have helped a lot with emancipation from the 1960s onwards. Back then Sweden was even more homogenous.

  Swedish culture of lagom är bäst emphasizes harmony instead of confrontation and conflict. Americans are pretty much the opposite of that.

  Remember that the US is far more religious. Lots of religious fringe lunatics emigrated to the US from Europe and you can still see the results today.

  Currently in the US you have elite white activists preaching long about intersectionality, while alienating the lower working classes, especially whites.

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  • Dojan@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I don’t like the term succeed. It’s not a case of once you have it you have it. You have to keep working for it to keep it.

    As it stands, we’ve not had a majority-left government in ages, our welfare is being sold off to private interests, and the gaps between classes are widening. The younger generation in particular has been susceptible to the influence of American right-wing media and as such we’re seeing an increased amount of religious extremism and right wing thinking.

    Hell, the xenophobic lobbying has lead to the Nazi party having a majority seat in parliament.

    Understanding of intersectionality is a useful tool regardless of the size or homogeneity of the population.

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    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      xenophobic

      Nazi

      Grew because the population became less homogenous.

      Despite that Sweden and the Nordics are still leading in women’s equality. Have they been rolled back in a significant way over the last two decades?

      Intersectionality is useful for analysis. As an activist method in practice it leads to alienating white men, oppression Olympics, purity testing, division.

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If everyone has enough, no one needs to have less to make people feel ok about it…

    And if someone only pushes to help some demographics, they’re likely being manipulated so people don’t unify, or they’re just a bigot.

    Lots of bigots just don’t want to be called Republicans, so they claim not to be but are still incredibly bigotted and only care about a slice or two of humanity, if there’s no demographic overlap with themselves, they just don’t give a shit.

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    • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Most people care about their own well-being first, yes. Caring about the well-being of groups they are not part of is a luxury for the privileged.

      Hating on Republicans won’t overcome this.

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• JustJack23@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  What do you mean by “lack of intersectionality”

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  • TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Initially, I thought you just need to do more geometry math problems to get enough interactions. Turns out, this type of intersectionality exists too.

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• WGKKWGKF@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  US feminism is mostly centering on the issues of white, middle-class women, failing to fully integrate the needs of women of color, marginalized, or lower-income women. This lack of a unified approach leads to fragmented advocacy and fragmented outcomes, rather than a broad movement.

  Also 53% of white women vote for trump compared to 7% of black women who voted for trump. This showed that they gave more priority to racial identify over collective welfare of all women in usa .

  White feminist often ignore of won’t acknowledge that in usa —specifically land ownership and early capital accumulation were built upon the exploitation of Native American and African people.

  The systematic removal of Native Americans from their land provided massive amounts of property that was subsequently passed down through generations of white families, serving as a primary source of generational wealth which black women or native American women doesn’t have.

  The wealth generated by the labor of enslaved African people in agriculture and other industries directly enriched white slaveholders and, by extension, their present generation . Jim crows law curved wealth generation for black women compared to white women

  Wealth disparity between Black and white women in the USA is severe, with white households holding nearly 10 times the median net worth of Black households, or approximately 15 cents for every dollar. Black women face lower income, less intergenerational wealth, lower homeownership rates, and higher debt, often keeping them in lower-wage service jobs without benefits.

  Most present generation white women even though they doesn’t participated directly in exploitation benefit from the exploitation even after centuries and white feminists often ignore this Best example would be :-1)DEI

  Despite this DEI mostly benefitted white women and most of the white feminist organisation ignored this .

  2)Most of the educational scholarships are benefitted by white women over native American ,black women

  Whereas in

  Nordic feminism is embedded within a strong, universal welfare state that prioritizes collectivism over individualism. Their approach addresses inequality by providing universal healthcare, subsidized childcare, and high-quality education, which inherently benefits marginalized groups.

  Nordic feminists despite america feminists supported and worked for the the welfare of minorities like Sami people and supported affirmative actions for Sami women…

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  • JustJack23@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t frame it as lack of intersectionality.

    More like lack of class consciousness.

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• bstix@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well, then, why isn’t Kentucky more feminist? It’s about as homogenous as Sweden.

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• devolution@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Jerry Falwell is specifically why. And I hope he is burning in hell.

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  • daannii@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Feminism has been branded a dirty word here. I barely know any men who will say they are even if they actually support feminism ideals.

    It’s a bad word like communism. And tier to homophobia and masculinity.

    “Only gay men are feminist.”

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