And you, what’s your operating system to code ? Me, I use Arch btw
As a linux dev, this conspicuously misses mentioning Visual Studio.
Why Linux is better for (most) developers!
Submitted 1 year ago by costalfy@programming.dev to programming@programming.dev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_C3pgc1Iho&t=83s
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MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
myersguy@lemmy.simpl.website 1 year ago
True, but he mentions .NET development is Windows first, and even mentions that you have “some IDE’s that work with it, like Rider”. He kind of said it without mentioning the specific IDE.
Rider is the real MVP anyways.
AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Jetbrains ftw
hellishharlot@programming.dev 1 year ago
My company and literally every company I’ve worked for somehow has been deeply afraid of leaving .NET framework for .NET core or .NET 6, 7, or 8.
I just want to get away from needing Windows to run my programs locally
hubobes@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I don’t think it is fear. We are transitioning our decades old software to .net 6 right now. It will approximately take a full year (we are about halfway done) since we use WPF, WCF and a lot of Windows native APIs. And in the end we will be on 6-windows and not the cross platform sdk since we can not get rid of WOF with major UI rewrites.
koorool@feddit.de 1 year ago
Most companies I worked with had a choice of the work laptop, usually Windows/Linux or MacBook. And the trick is, you cannot buy cheap MacBook. So the choice is using linux but with a terrible screen, unusable trackpad and bad hardware, or take MacBook and enjoy all premium.
So I always take MacBook and then ask for a local workstation where I will have linux with i3 / Sway WM.
Dogeek@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
My company didn’t leave me a choice, I got an XPS 15 which I had to setup with my distro of choice (but all the internal tooling is for Ubuntu, I personally would have preferred to install Fedora or Debian 12 with i3wm).
It’s not that bad a laptop but it overheats like crazy and has really shit battery life (barely enough for a meeting), and some of its features I can’t explain : why is a 4k touchscreen on a laptop a good thing? It eats 4x the battery for no noticeable visual improvement. I don’t use my laptop 5 inches from my face.
zipfelwurster@feddit.de 1 year ago
I remember having bad overheating issues with Linux years ago on an XPS 15 (9560 model if memory serves, so unlike yours no 4k or touch).
The key on mine was to disable the dedicated GPU which I didn’t need anyway. I remember afterwards, mint would run mostly quiet and the battery lasted longer than on the windows partition. If you are interested look up bumblebee on the arch wiki.
Also I know this reply is late, but maybe it helps.
mrkite@programming.dev 1 year ago
I prefer a desktop. Don’t have to worry about swelling batteries from being plugged in all day… plus they’re cheaper so I get new computers far more often than my coworkers who get laptops.
technom@programming.dev 1 year ago
So many praises for Windows and Mac about ‘premium features’, ‘corporate environment’ and ‘device support’. But not enough talk about how they treat customers like crap and cash cows. Windows is replete with spyware and ads. It doesn’t respect the user’s choices, like when not to do an update or opening the links with a browser of user’s choice. Heck! Some versions don’t even allow you to register users without a cloud account. And now they are taking definite steps towards ensuring that you can’t do anything they don’t approve - with TPM and pluton non-sense. Praising windows is like being in an abusive relationship and finding justifications for it.
Mac is on the other extreme. They lock down their platform more and more in every revision in the name of security. It’s getting harder to side-load apps. Why? For security, of course! No mention of how security comes primarily from platform design. Then there is the hardware, where everything is glued, soldered, riveted, digitally locked, etc, etc. Any small issue, and it’s garbage. Not even parts from another genuine Mac can be used. Macs also have the strange distinction of needing calibration and signing of any part that can be replaced at all. It’s deliberately designed to extract more money from you and create a tonne load of e-waste (iWaste?). Mac fanbois have a habit of justifying it in the name of ‘miniaturization’ and progress. Honestly, that’s just hand-wavy and completely wrong technical argument. And Apple says it is all for ‘privacy’ and ‘security’ while their actual reason is the pursuit of double-digit growth (not just profits). So, in effect, Apple is saying to their customers “Oh honey! You’re are just too stupid to take care of it. So let me just decide for you” - all the while squeezing you for money. Does it end there? Oh no! They need developers to pay a yearly fee and want to take a huge cut from their profits. All that for “providing the engineering, platform and services”. As if the exorbitant price they extract from their customers isn’t enough.
The hardware situation on Linux distros and frankly even BSDs isn’t as bad as it is projected by some. Most devices just work even on a live installation medium. Even Nvidia works. (Have you considered the possibility that if any device doesn’t work, it’s the manufacturer’s fault and not the OS’s? There are plenty of devices for which the community maintains the drivers, just because the device manufacturer isn’t an utter trashbag). There are tonnes of games too - thanks to Valve and Proton. And as for the ‘corporate env’, you are probably just locked in or too used to them. There are users who have been on these platforms for decades now without complaints. And there are companies built entirely on them. Can you say the same about any of the company that makes your OS/devices? Is there one among them that doesn’t use Linux or BSDs?
Look! I’m not claiming that everything is rosy on the Linux and BSD side of things. Sometimes you have to find an alternative way of doing things (there are plenty of options). Sometimes, you have to configure a lot. Sometimes, you have to carefully choose your hardware so that your life is easier with Linux and BSDs. But there is one thing they don’t ask you to do- and that is to surrender your self-respect. You don’t get treated like cash cow. You don’t get spied on as if you are a thief. You don’t get restricted like a school kid. You’re not told that your choices are wrong. Your choices are not disrespected. You don’t get treated like you owe them after you paid your hard earned money on the devices they make. Ultimately, it’s up to you to decide if the little conveniences are bigger than your self-respect.
nave@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
[deleted]Espi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well so can you install Linux on Windows, Windows on macOS, Windows on Linux, macOS on Windows and macOS on Linux.
From that point of view, all OSs are identical (and to be fair, they pretty much are, nearly everything runs on a VM called ‘web browser’ already).
kaba0@programming.dev 1 year ago
Macs are actually secure. Not as much as ios, but compared to the general linux userspace, it is like a military establishment vs a homeless tent.
technom@programming.dev 1 year ago
Did you miss the part where I said they use the security argument to lock down the device and restrict the user? In addition, Linux distros in their default configuration may not be secure - but there are plenty of packages that can secure it down to a deep level. It just depends on the user’s threat level assessment. That military establishment vs homeless tent analogy is just pure hyperbole and FUD.
kibiz0r@midwest.social 1 year ago
macOS all the way.
All the comfort of a UNIX FOSS env, all the premium features of a corpo env.
misterbassman@lemmy.world 1 year ago
One of the main issues with OSX is that docker sucks, it’s so slow even using the new fixes virtfs etc.
kaba0@programming.dev 1 year ago
Arguably: docker sucks.
huginn@feddit.it 1 year ago
I wish the company I worked for would let us use Linux. Mac dev only. :(
railsdev@programming.dev 1 year ago
Huh? macOS is a lot closer to Linux than Windows.
huginn@feddit.it 1 year ago
Being built on nix doesn’t mean it’s similar, just that they have some commands in common.
I miss my Linux dev machine daily.
ggnoredo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I wont work for a single day without linux
Espi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nowadays with WSL Windows is pretty good. Pretty much anything you can do on Linux you can do on Windows.
Now, not being worse is not really a point towards Windows. For developers its absolutely not worth it tanking the horrible storage performance, preinstalled ads and handing your soul to Microsoft for the privilege of not being worse than native Linux.
eric@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I’m forced to use Windows at work. WSL takes since of the sting out of it
bilal@programming.dev 1 year ago
Absolutely! With WSL2, one huge upside for me is that I get the best of both worlds. The driver support for Linux pales in comparison to Windows.
Sheldan@programming.dev 1 year ago
I have had major problems, because I am also forced to use WSL. The network situation is the largest problem. Colleagues have had random time differences in WSL causing even TLS to fail, because they were 15 minutes in the past.
I have had major issues, and I think its only because of WSL and wouldnt happen on native Linux.
winky88@startrek.website 1 year ago
the horrible storage performance
Que?
Espi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
NTFS is by far the worse filesystem commonly used nowadays. Even Apple has a better filesystem.
Aux@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Windows here. And WSL. Best UI and hardware compatibility with all UNIX tools I might ever need. As a bonus I can also play games and use industrial apps for my hobbies.
gamer@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Linux time.
Best UI
KDE’s UI is better, even if you don’t take the lack of ads into account.
hardware compatibility
What hardware do you use that isn’t compatible with Linux? The only time I had a problem with that was when I was sold a bootleg PS4 controller on ebay once, and it didn’t work via USB (official controllers do work tho). Connecting via Bluetooth fixed it.
I can also play games
Same.
industrial apps
…like forklift firmware?
Aux@lemmy.world 1 year ago
KDE’s UI is better
KDE was good many moons ago, sadly today it’s just a useless mess.
What hardware do you use that isn’t compatible with Linux?
Printers, NVIDIA GPUs, latest Intel CPUs, WiFi, Bluetooth, DRM protected stuff, etc.
…like forklift firmware?
Apps ranging from Photoshop to Fusion 360, from TI and Evolv board firmware flashers to Chinese device apps, all kinds of CNC controllers, etc. If your hobby requires an app and it’s not a software development related hobby then there’s a 99% chance that it won’t work on Linux. And even if there’s a Linux version of the app, it might lack critical features, like DaVinci Resolve which lacks audio and video codecs on Linux.
The sad truth is that Windows today is the best Linux distro out there for desktop use. And if you can get your hands on an enterprise licence then you won’t have any limitations or ads or whatnot.
Espi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Windows had a fantastic UI but I despise the changes they have made to it.
A bottom bar showing all your windows? fantastic! windows are such a core component of the OS that it sure looks like the OS was named after them right? So why in the world would closed programs, with no windows appear there? why would multiple windows fuse into a single icon???
I was fine with just not pinning programs and setting the task bar to “never combine”, but they literally removed the option with Windows 11. I really don’t understand why Microsoft is de-emphasizing the ‘windows’ part of Windows. Apparently ‘never combine’ is coming back at some point to 11, so that’s good.
Now, I’m not going to compare the Windows UI to Linux DE’s since there are many alternatives that may or may not fit someone better.
As for hardware compatibility, I would say its a mixed bag on both directions. I moved my laptop from Windows to Linux when it started bluescreening when waking up from sleep. It works fine on Linux.
Sure, you have some WiFi cards that don’t work out of the box on Linux. But they don’t work out of the box on Windows either, you need to install the drivers on both OSs manually so its not any better.
Then you have some computers where Linux works like ass and can’t sleep, and you got some computers where Windows works like ass and can’t sleep.
The only solid arguments against Linux nowadays is
- Programs don’t run.
- The Windows display stack is vastly superior, VRR, HDR and fractional scaling all working fine for a long time already where Linux is barely beginning to figure them out.
Aux@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I personally like Windows UI as it is with all the pinned buttons. It is the same way on Ubuntu and MacOS and this is what everyone is used to. Windows also has a lot of accessibility features, it’s the only OS, which can be used with keyboard only, mouse only or even a gamepad only out of the box.
As for drivers, I only install drivers if I want additional features. Otherwise everything works out of the box. I haven’t seen anything that doesn’t work since Win7 days.
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0x0@programming.dev 1 year ago
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spez@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I moved so Microsoft doesn’t spy of literally everything I do. For programming it does seem to be easy to discover new things when you are part of different linux circles.
UFODivebomb@programming.dev 1 year ago
NixOS is the ultimate dev distro… For backend development anyways.
a_fancy_kiwi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve been interested in Nix for a while but haven’t devoted any time to it. What do you like about it? What problems does it solve? Why learn the Nix way of doing things when I could make a container using LXD and just transfer the container around?
UFODivebomb@programming.dev 1 year ago
What… What problems does Nix solve? throws down his beer What value is precision? Why make a cube about 10cm per side when you can make a cube 10.001 cm ± 0.001 cm? Do you want software that’s a collection of found parts that just happens to work? Or a system engineered to precise requirements?
Rant aside: that sums one difference. Both containers and Nix solve an encapsulation problem. They solve them differently. Containers gives software their own namespace. Nix requires software to exist in an a universal namespace. “/bin/bash” may be different between containers. While “/nix/store/bash-82828def8282829whatever/bin/bash” is always the exact same bash in Nix.
Precision has a cost but sometimes the precision is necessary. Eg: nix is great building closures that contain exactly the software requested and no more. While containers are more imprecise: take a base and add on additional stuff. From a software supply line perspective this can be exactly the precision required.
Nixpkgs is (afaik) the closest thing to Amazon’s internal package system. So the issues it solves is definitely valuable… To at least Amazon scale orgs.
As a dev who likes to tweak their system Nix offers an unparalleled ability to alter deep dependencies and correctly propagate those through everything. Wanna alter libc and rebuild everything - jvm and all - for some Java service? Yep. Nix will handle the build no problem.
Excessive? Sometimes - plenty of systems work fine when dependencies are mutated underneath. However, when there is a need there is NixOS in a class of it’s own.
Also, they are complementary solutions: nix is great at building containers.
kaba0@programming.dev 1 year ago
Package management is the ultimate problem that was previously left unsolved (no, docker just pushes the problem away, doesn’t solve it. That apt install won’t be the same now as it was when you wrote it). Nix is the first thing that actually solves it properly.
bdesk@kbin.social 1 year ago
In this article: why we should wear crocs while drinking water.
wave_walnut@programming.dev 1 year ago
Thankful to communities, building dev env on Linux is easier than that on Windows.
ozoned@beehaw.org 1 year ago
The Linux Experiment is also on the Fediverse.
Mastodon: tilvids.com/accounts/thelinuxexperiment
TILVids (Peertube instance): tilvids.com/w/995NqXZXXshptUnwZNcbKi
A10@kerala.party 1 year ago
!thelinuxexperiment_channel@tilvids.com
onlinepersona@programming.dev 1 year ago
Once
nixsupports mac and windows equally well, maybe those platforms can be considered equivalent, but until then linux FTW.colonial@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Fedora Silverblue is very nice for development work. You can have separate
toolboxcontainers for each toolchain and not worry about it messing with the host OS.(Unless I’m working with Python. Then it’ll find some way to install shit deep in
~/.localor whatever.)GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Am I missing something? Why aren’t you doing python development in a venv?
colonial@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t really write Python, but I occasionally find myself having to use tools written in it.
So Docker won’t work (unless I do some scuffed mounting to let it access my working files, which is suboptimal regardless) and I can’t be bothered to juggle venvs just to rip my Spotify playlists.
Paradox@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Python belongs in docker for exactly thus reason
RandomVideos@programming.dev 1 year ago
The real reason linux is better for devs is because there are more communities about linux than about windows on programming.dev
witx@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
And its because it was made by devs for devs. Not corporate ghouls that just want to squeeze another penny or data from you.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Unfortunately I have to use Windows for work, and it hurts my soul.
sliceofbytes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t really care they all have their issues and benefits. But mostly just dev in windows for support for almost everything.
ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 1 year ago
Is there any GUI for either GDB or LLDB? Most cases, I don't think "writing macros to do complicated things" is a path walkable for me, especially as I mostly want to do simple things.
Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
VS Code (as well as Codium) uses gdb for debugging
colonial@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Visual Studio Code (and it’s free as in freedom variants like Codium) has the CodeLLDB extension. I’m unsure if something similar exists for GDB.
And if you’re using Jetbrains, most (all?) of their products have a suitable GUI debugger baked in.
0x0@programming.dev 1 year ago
I was gonna say Ctrl+X Ctrl+A but that’s a TUI.
robinm@programming.dev 1 year ago
And cgb is kind of the same but with better controls and syntax coloration.
RiikkaTheIcePrincess@kbin.social 1 year ago
DDD? Dunno if that's to your taste, nor what state it's in lately but... maybe it qualifies? :3
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Also arch when I can help it.
Mikina@programming.dev 1 year ago
Cries in game dev
No, seriously. I’ve tried getting Unity to work on Linux once, and gave up after few hours of random crashes, bugs or errors. And I never even got to building the game, which I’m sure would be an entirely different adventure that would still in the end require to reboot to Windows and try the build there.
AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net 1 year ago
[deleted]sip@programming.dev 1 year ago
I had quite a few laptops that worked and then along the way, support was dropped so I had to keep an older kernel.
theherk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As long as I can use a single key combo to get to Wezterm and a single key combo to get to Firefox, I don’t really care. But Raycast is really nice if on Mac.
whiskers@lemmings.world 1 year ago
We use CentOS for work.
awesome_person@lemm.ee 1 year ago
All three main desktop operating systems suck for very different reasons
andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 1 year ago
I take it you run TempleOS?