thrown into a backend project as a backend dev with a language I don't know, how fucked am I?

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨nitefox@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨programming@programming.dev⁩

The title itself is a recipe for disaster. Also this is a semi rant.

Yesterday I was informed that I will have the honour to implement the core functionality - which is an interface layer to use the driver of a very expensive hardware shit - of the software I’ve been working on as a frontend dev.

There are two possibilities for the language: C++ or C#. The one that was proposed/imposed is C#, which I know nothing of, while at least I have some hobbyist experience with C++; when asked if I could take some time to familiarise myself with C# I was basically laughed in the face, saying I will learn on the field and at least some of them have some experience with it.

Should I insist to go with C++, or is that an even worse idea in an already fucked up situation?

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totallynotarobot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If you’ve firmly but politely articulated what your skill set is, and they’ve told you it’s fine, you’re literally being paid to skill up. I don’t see the problem. You haven’t lied about your qualifications, instead you’ve been told they want you on the project, even though you don’t know the language yet. This is a good thing.

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- Sigmatics@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  And the best part: you have a pretty good excuse if you do happen to fuck up
  
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MagicShel@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
This doesn’t feel like a disaster to me at all. This is an opportunity to grow and learn new things and new ways of doing things. It looks like your environment is very supportive and understanding that it will take some time and effort to get up to speed and are offering mentoring. And businesses often have valid technical or non-technical reasons for using a particular software stack - for example C# developers are likely easier to find than C++ developers which makes hiring easier in the future.

My suggestion is to take some deep breaths reset your perspective. Yes, sometimes it’s not fun to push outside of your comfort zone, and it sounds like that is creating a lot of anxiety for you, but you’ll do fine. This is very similar to how I got started professionally programming 25 years ago.

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JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
What do you mean? Your team says they’re going to help you learn as you go. I think you’ll be fine. Be proactive when asking questions, you’ll be fine! Just set expectations. Make sure your manager knows you don’t know this language and tell them you can learn as you go with assistance but you’ll need some time before you’re very productive.

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amio@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Other team members already being familiar with the other alternative makes it a better bet already. Besides, C# is fairly nice, it's arguably much easier to learn than C++, C# and similarly (or more) high-level languages have been focused more than C++ in a lot of education, etc.

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Heavybell@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If you can code in C++ you should be able to muddle through in C# no problem. The runtime will help prevent the worst SNAFUs; y’know, pointer errors (there are none, unless you use the unsafe block or p/invoke), memory leaks etc. Just look at the existing code and cargo-cult it til you make it. You got this. :)

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- nitefox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  The project is brand new, I have to code and architecture it
  
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  - BaskinRobbins@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I recommend looking at a Shawn Wildermuth course that seems related to the type of project you will be creating. He has a bunch on pluralsight and his website. He was instrumental for me in my early days of learning .net and architecture.
    
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kurosawaa@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Have you used Java before? It’s not a big leap from Java to C#, most of the concepts are the same. At least C# is a memory safe language, although I’m not sure if you’re unfamiliar with the code base and languages if it really makes a difference which language you use here. Hopefully your coworkers can help hold your hand a bit here, this situation sucks.

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- nitefox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  There is no codebase, I have to write it from scratch. Also nope, I’ve religiously avoided Java so far
  
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planish@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
C++ is a worse idea, it is not a good web backend language.

C# is pretty easy. As long as your boss doesn’t expect you to magically already be good at the thing they refused to allocate time for you to train in, you probably can just start trying to glue bits of C# web API examples together as your first project.

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- nitefox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  It’s not web backend
  
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  - planish@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Oh sorry, I saw “frontend dev” and assumed that meant web and not like local application.
    
    If you are doing something less popular involving non-web messaging between processes that might be harder to break into.
    
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heartlessevil@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
It’s not a fucked up situation. I’m a Ruby developer and I got hired in a Scala shop with no experience. It took just a couple weeks to get up to speed and everyone was understanding.

Since you know programming principles already, the difference between languages is mostly in their APIs. But even experienced developers spend half their time reading docs about APIs. It’s nothing out of the ordinary.

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PmMeFrogMemes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
I would say C# is a better bet as it abstracts a lot more from you than cpp. And as the name suggests the syntax is much like C so if you already have some basic understanding you should be fine. Also as others have said you’d is a learning opportunity, try to have fun with it!

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aggelalex@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
C# isn’t that difficult to learn. Don’t be overwhelmed by languages or frameworks, they aren’t so different from each other.

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Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
A good developer doesn’t need to worry themselves over the language used. For the most part programming principles are universal, besides Object Oriented vs Functional programming languages. Since you’re not moving from, say, Java to Elixir, you should be fine.

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DieguiTux8623@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Tell me you are employed by an Italian IT company without telling me you are employed by an Italian IT company. While reading “I will learn on the field” it reminded me of my previous employer who was very fond of this “learning on the job” approach. To the clients’ detriment who had their expensive software developer by inexperienced programmers.

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- nitefox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Tell me you know I’m from an Italian company telling me I work for an Italian company
  
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- planish@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Learn on the field of battle.
  
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- Damage@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  If it’s any consolation, it’s the same in all fields, I’m a field tech for industrial machinery and they throw me into all kinds of shit I’m not familiar with, all the time.
  
  “Oh, you’ll figure it out, you’re good!” Yeah, fuck you.
  
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Lmaydev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
C# isn’t too complicated tbh. A lot of things are done for you i.e. memory management.

Honestly if you’re not a cpp pro that seems like it would go worse as there are soany ways to shoot yourself in the foot.

You should be able to learn c# as you go.

ChatGPT is a great resource for this. If you paste in a snippet and ask it to explain you’ll get a decent answer with enough context for follow up questions or things to Google.

You can also ask it to explain how to do things. As long as it’s pretty general.

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Treczoks@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If I would complain about any new language or environment I’d be dropped in, I’d probably in the loony bin by now.

Tell the team leader that you don’t know the language but are willing to learn, read the existing code which will give you a feel for the language, the project, and the local programming style, all in one go, and you should be fine. Imagine the backend was written in PL/I, Prolog, or LISP instead of just another ALGOL dialect ;-)

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- nitefox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  What existing code? I have to write the whole thing from scratch
  
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  - Treczoks@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    If you are starting from scratch, why do they limit the language selection?
    
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BeanCounter@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
sys.exit()

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half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
system.out.you.are.fucked()

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- starman@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  `Console.WriteLine(“not really”);
  
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jadero@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
If you’ve been working the front end, you know what the backend is supposed to provide, so you might have been picked because see you as a domain expert. Don’t be surprised if you end up acting as a leader in that regard.

And C# isn’t that hard. I earned my living with Visual Basic, Access, and VBA until thrown into a C# job. Other than the damned braces and semicolons, it wasn’t that big a deal.

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Jakdracula@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Do you / can you work from home? If so, outsource to India for 1/10 the costs, stay home and chill, keep the difference.

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flumph@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
What language are you familiar with? Switching between the C-style OOP languages is honestly pretty straightforward.

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- nitefox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  JS/TS, Rust-ish, and CPP
  
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  - flumph@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Yeah, I’d say your road to C# should pretty much be syntax then. Check out a course on exercism and read a bit about common idioms in C#.
    
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MalReynolds@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Depending on the (API) complexity and speed requirements it might be useful to start by implementing in plain old C. Easy enough to add on class structures later (i.e. transcode to either of those options) if needed. Also consider Rust, as long as you’re going to learn something, it’d be nice if it was current and forward facing.

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