python < shell (for scripts)

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• Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Python is the second best language for everything. Having one language that does it all is better than learning several that might do it a little bit better.

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  • dukk@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Speed is a serious problem in Python though. Python has its use cases, and so do other languages. Things would not end well if we started using Python for everything.

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    • noli@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This might be an unpopular opinion but python’s speed wouldn’t even be an issue if it was 5x slower than it is now.

      Python is a language designed for write-time performance, not runtime performance.

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    • Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If I wanted to write a 3D game engine, I wouldn’t use Python either. But there’s zero chance of me ever doing that. Die 90% of Things 90% of people do, Python works just fine. And the performance thing is actively being worked on and getting better all the time.

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    • Vulwsztyn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nkt since 3.11, python is now one of the fastest languages

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    • Chunk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I have worked on a lot of real time simulation with python glue. It is… not fun. I’m a better programmer for it though.

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  • bort@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Careful, that attitude is how we ended up with this infestation of JavaScript!

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  • entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Python is the best “glue” language I’ve ever used. When you want to chain together your program’s high-level logic and all of the loops happen inside other languages like Rust, Go, Zig, D or C, Python’s performance is perfectly adequate and it’s so clear and concise it reads like pseudocode.

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    • Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      As long as you do all your lookups with dicts or sets performance is pretty decent for smaller workloads.

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    • nixfreak@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Even worse when you look at a class that’s over 1k long.

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  • sigh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    holy shit you’re right

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• Dasnap@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Anything I can do in Shell I will do in Shell and yes I am a devops engineer thank for asking.

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  • joyjoy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Shellcheck really helps

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• Overtheveloper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Obligatory relevant xkcd xkcd.com/1205/

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• kogasa@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I can’t think of a single reason to use bash over Python. Anything you can do in bash can be done in pure Python. Unless you’re working in some embedded environment it’s a non-issue to install a Python interpreter (you certainly already have one).

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  • CoderKat@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Python is superior for string anything (parsing, searching, manipulating). But Bash is much simpler for running existing CLI tools. Plus you should already be using Bash as a simple terminal language already, so wrapping what you’re used to into a simple script flows naturally.

    Eg, if I have some admin tool for updating a user thingamajig, a common scripting need is just running that tool for every user in a file (or the output of another command). The string manipulation that often requires is annoying in bash, but running the commands is easier than Python.

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    • kogasa@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If what you’re doing is essentially a few shell commands, then you may as well put it into a script. If you’re talking about how “elegant” your shell scripts are and comparing them to Python, you’re probably wrong and should be using Python.

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  • Reborn2966@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    i would not run a python script with root.

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    • ultimitchow@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      i run my daily NAS backup python script with root.

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  • alexcoder04@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Bash is much better for doing file operations and piping the output across multiple commands

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  • bort@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I know whatever environment I run my shell script in has sh, I can’t rely on (the right version of) python being there.

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  • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why is always about bash? POSIX shell scripts run everywhere.

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• Haus@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  MFW I'm using sh variant #7923 and trying to write a for loop.

  On that other site, I compared it to being a lifelong English-speaking resident of Chicago and being unable to order a pizza in Indianapolis without a phrasebook.

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• sanosuke001@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Python is never the right answer!

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  • darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    what is a well-known genus of non-venomous snake ?

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    • sanosuke001@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This isn’t jeopardy! 🤣

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    • Chunk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Anaconda!

      Wait…

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  • Reptorian@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I know there’s a lot of downvotes because there are people reading this as hate toward Python. On one hand, one can make the case that it is overused and this doesn’t bold well for those that simply can never like it’s syntax. On the other hand, Python is perfect for small scripts that isn’t tailored for a Domain or just quick codes.

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    • sanosuke001@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Honestly, I’m not really a fan of the formatting and syntax of Python but I agree, it is a fine choice for scripting things quickly if you don’t mind the language itself.

      The biggest issue I have with it are all the incompatible versions, juggling modules, having some other random thing with a ridiculous configuration, where a bash script would be infinitely easier. Anything more complicated and Python is just too much of a headache.

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• outdated_belated@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Both are < HTML:Image

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  • itadakimasu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How to meet ladies?

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• TheBananaKing@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Friends don’t let friends do string manipulation in bash.

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• eochaid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The only validation you should expect and need is self-validation.

  Your work is absolutely valid and important. Your efforts are absolutely appreciated and worthwhile. But people are stuck in their own heads and work and stress and concerns and desires and validation loops and it takes actual work to break out of that to not only offer appreciation but to even realize that they need to offer it.

  And for that reason, you should also really appreciate anyone that validates you.

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• Legendsofanus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I know a bit of HTML so I just started learning Python. It’s fairly easy and fun, haven’t made anything real yet tho

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• lowleveldata@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Groovy is better

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  • mundane@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Image

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• darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  thoughts on lua ?

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  • alexcoder04@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lua is weird, but I would rank it same as Python

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  • SingularEye@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    lua is hot and sexy

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  • Chunk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Lua is not as common as python. Every team I’ve worked on knew X and python. C++, Java, JS, or node, and then also python.

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• Reptorian@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m using G’MIC for raster-graphic image-processing, but I can do other things in it too with ease. I feel this post so much.

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• shiveyarbles@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They may not know but they will when I explain kekeke

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