I hate rape. I hate immorality. Now, if you’re not making a bad faith argument, get diagnosed for the tisms and reassess your statements.
if hate is categorically bad, then any sort of negativity is also bad. Even the word bad is bad. Being anti-hate actually has drawbacks
Submitted 5 weeks ago by quacky@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
quacky@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I appreciate your comment as it provides color and contrast for the embracement of hatred. It is persuading me to trust myself in being opposed to, or not entertaining of, hate & negativity.
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
There are things one has to be/will be vehemently opposed to and morally disgusted by, or “hate”, if you believe in virtue (or simply stand by anything). 🤷
Sidhean@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
I like that you responded to "I hate rape" with "this is persuading me to trust myself in being opposed to...hate[ing rape]" Yikes!
remon@ani.social 5 weeks ago
if hate is categorically bad
Well, it’s not.
quacky@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I wonder if there’s a term for a worldview that views hate good sometimes.
quacky@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
a worldview that views hate good sometimes
HubertManne@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
Sometimes hate just is. Ain't nothing going to cause me to not hate cilantro. Just because I hate it though does not mean I wish harm to it. I just want to avoid it.
quacky@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Avoiding ppl is often seen as ok or good but it is also synonymous with estrangement, alienation, neglect, and marginalization. Also a form of discrimination & prejudice. Thats a lot of words with negative connotation but i meant the literal definitions
Sidhean@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
Fam if I don't talk to a stranger, that isn't neglect. You aren't owed padded, fluffy kindness by everyone :)
HubertManne@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
Thats a stretch. Everyone does not hang out with folks they don't care for and do hang out with folks they do. I liked hanging with fandom folks at fandom events but im meh to sporting events and sure as heck don't want to sit through a religious service. Its not discrimination because you go to the library over a bar but each place has a type of person with some crossover for bi types.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I think you’re being downvoted because hatred is fueling the world.
quacky@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I was researching stoic philosophers on their opinion of hatred. Here’s some quotes I’ve collected:
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Mankind is born for mutual assistance, anger for mutual ruin: the former loves society, the latter estrangement. The one loves to do good, the other to do harm; the one to help even strangers, the other to attack even its dearest friends. The one is ready even to sacrifice itself for the good of others, the other to plunge into peril provided it drags others with it. Who, then, can be more ignorant of nature than he who classes this cruel and hurtful vice as belonging to her best and most polished work? Anger, as we have said, is eager to punish; and that such a desire should exist in man’s peaceful breast is least of all according to his nature; for human life is founded on benefits and harmony and is bound together into an alliance for the common help of all, not by terror, but by love towards one another. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca (c. 4 BC – A.D. 65)
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Keep this thought handy when you feel a bit of rage coming on – it isn’t manly to be enraged. Rather, gentleness and civility are more human, and therefore manlier. A real person doesn’t give way to anger and discontent, and such a person has strength, courage, and endurance – unlike the angry and complaining. The nearer a man comes to a calm mind, the closer he is to strength. ~ Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121 A.D. – 180 A.D.))
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Do you suppose that you can do the things you do now, and yet be a philosopher? Do you suppose that you can eat in the same fashion, drink in the same fashion, give way to anger and to irritation, just as you do now? ~ Epictetus (c. 55 – c. 135 AD)
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
“I must hate. Hate is the killer of things I might disagree with right now. Hate is the little-life that brings total self satisfaction. I will post my hate for anonymous people on the Internet. I will force it on them and over them. And when it has choked and annoyed them I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the hate has gone there will be the Epstein list. Only Nazis will remain”.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Hmmm. These seem a lit-tle outdated.
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Perspectivist@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
After I lost my belief in free will, I also lost my ability to feel hate. I haven’t felt that in years - almost a decade.
I can still feel annoyed, irritated, or dislike someone, but hate is incompatible with my worldview. And I don’t mean “hate” in the casual way people use it in everyday speech - I mean true hatred. I can’t hate an object, because it just is and couldn’t be otherwise. But in the same way, I can’t hate people either, because while I think they have the ability to act differently in the future, I don’t believe they could have acted differently in the past once something has already been done.
Hating someone for what they are seems to imply they should’ve been different, which makes no sense. If someone is being an asshole, it’s not their fault - they can’t help themselves. I might not want to be around that person, but I don’t hate them. It’s like hating the rain or the darkness.
iii@mander.xyz 5 weeks ago
I think you can’t spreadsheet your way through emotions — there isn’t a scoresheet that sorts them into a tidy “Good” column and an equally neat “Bad” column. I don’t think you can banish feelings you dislike and license only the pleasant ones.
I think what’s possible is learning to recognize what you’re feeling, fully experiencing it, and choosing deliberately how to direct that energy. Regulating actions and words. I think you can’t stop feelings from arising.
Life improves when you practice feeling deliberately, however imperfect the process, instead of suppressing emotions until they blow up.
quacky@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
ok sure but like an addict ought not to act on their impulse, similar to hate or the continuum of negativity. Like we can have an impulse or emotion, but we oughtn’t entertain it (if we categorically disagree with the ends it brings). To recognize that negativity, especially intense negativity, is a pathway to hate, and hate is categorically undesirable. It’s just like how urge to use drugs leads to a pathway that is categorically undesirable (i.e., addiction).
quacky@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
There could be. Maybe we can make one. Maybe one was already made.
quacky@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I searched online and i found this neat graph and news article Image oecdwatch.org/the-updated-oecd-guidelines-and-ani…
quacky@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
They said “I don’t think you can banish feelings”, you even quoted that, and you consequently suggest banishing feelings?