Who is telling the truth?

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• HalfEarthMedic@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Murdoch is way off here. Even if we accept that the majority of protesters aren’t motivated by racism - I don’t accept that, but for the sake of argument - these protests drag the discourse to the right and make the fascists(I tried to type racists but autocorrect got it right this time) seem more reasonable.

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  • Salvo@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Murdoch is pushing the nationalist narrative that they have spent millions of dollars locally and billions of dollars internationally pushing.

    It’s the same Narrative that lead to Brexit and the same Narrative that lead to Trump.

    It is a narrative that needs to be rejected at every opportunity.

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• Tenderizer@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I’d say the mere act of expressing these views publicly, possibly intimidating minorities, says a lot about someone’s character.

  And the protests were organized by neo-nazis IIRC.

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• eureka@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  None of them except the first paragraph are false, and even that one could be true if it were qualified instead of generalised.

  They have biases, they might suggest and emphasise parts inappropriately, but the fact is this event, or rather these events were more complex than most articles or comment sections said.

  Even some of my earlier comments were affected by missing information, generalisation and a bit of shock. For example, after having talked to a few different (socialist) people who were present visiting the racist rallies in Sydney, they pointed out that:

  • The NSN were being sneaky in how they represented themselves, such as not leading the march out of Belmore Park, but then having a dozen of them jump to the front once the march was underway for the photo ops. Most of the people in the march would not have seen this at all.
  • There were only about 30 of them, many out of uniform
  • When they went up to speak, there was the same generic applause that other speakers got, and about half the reactions were boos instead of cheers once they started saying things, with many leaving
  • Their attempted march on Newtown just got redirected down a side street where they changed clothes and went to the train station

  Now, this does not change that it was well-known and well-publicised in advance that neo-Nazi organisations would be present, that they were involved in the organisation of many of the events and the main website.

  It does not change that the protests themselves were based upon racist deflectionary arguments, including ones made by Labor members. This doesn’t mean all marchers are inherently racist, or that they were aware of the racism, but they’re repeating and supporting racist claims that immigration is to blame for various crises, or that some cultures (read: non-white cultures) are a major problem while others aren’t.

  It does not change that a large amount of attendees were openly white nationalists, and that a large amount of attendees were knowingly tolerant of neo-Nazis. It does not change that the attendees who didn’t contest the Nazis accepted and emboldened them.

  But we should try to avoid being careless and suggesting that everyone there is irredeemable and was there to be racist. It was foolish, ignorant and harmful for them to attend. But in my opinion, this was a way for many people to voice legitimate grievances which they believed were unvoiced, like housing. And so long as Liberals and Labor deflect that crisis onto immigrants, and as long as those to the left can’t get their voices heard in the mainstream, fascists will be there to collect their rage. If you want to stop neo-Nazis from being validated, we have to let citizens know we’re fighting for them.

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• FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  “The protesters rallying for migration control on Sunday aren’t knuckle-dragging racists, but normal people who think open borders is a bad thing – that’s something that will shake the progressive activists to their core”

  This is right. Almost all of the protesters and followers just want to close the border until we can fix the massive issues that are compounded the more people we let in.

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  • DolphinLundgrin@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Nice try, knuckle dragging racist

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What did I say that is racist?

      Do you think housing availability will get better by importing 1500 more people who need housing every day, or worse?

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  • Fetus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    … close the border until we can fix the massive issues…

    What issues do you think we will fix once we close the border?

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      None of them are fixed by closing the border, and that’s not what anyone is suggesting. By closing the border you stop the problem from getting worse and worse. This allows you to start addressing the problems much easier. It’s like plugging the hole in a sinking boat before grabbing the bucket versus just trying to empty it with a bucket while the hole is still there.

      If we keep bringing in more people, the housing availability crisis keeps getting worse since there are more people looking for houses - to the tune of 1500 a day.

      Do you understand? Do you disagree?

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  • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You may be intending that, but you’re getting lead by the fascists like a bull by the nose ring.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      lol someone is being manipulated and lead on here, but it’s not me - it’s the people like you eating up all the mainstream media’s “it is a racist neo-Nazi march!” propaganda.

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• Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  To add to and continue your theme,

  A Voice from Independent Media

  In Sydney, protest organiser Jesse Stewart spoke about the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory – the key ideological underpinning of the Christchurch shooter who murdered 51 Muslims.

  The leaders of neo-Nazi groups were handed the microphone to rail against “Indians, Africans, and Chinese” migrants who were “exploiting” Australian land. They received loud cheers.

  In Brisbane, when some participants expressed dismay that Nazis were being platformed, the crowd dismissed them.

  …com.au/how-mainstream-media-and-politicians-fuel…

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