Mozilla has already posted their protest to this…
If Google succeeds with the new DRM policy, will that affect functionality of browsers like firefox which uses a different engine?
Submitted 11 months ago by azula@feddit.rocks to technology@lemmy.world
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over_clox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
scutiger@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Sure, they’re against it, but if it gets implemented by Chrome and by many major websites, they won’t have a choice but to implement it as well. Otherwise, their browser just won’t work and people will have to use Chromium browsers or nothing at all.
empireOfLove@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Honestly, they could have good grounds for an antitrust lawsuit if this API comes to pass and everyone uses Google attestation servers. It’s gardenwalling the browser space just like Microsoft was.
over_clox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Then don’t use Google. I’m slowly but surely working towards degoogling myself. Not there quite yet, but I’m working on it.
^ Free anonymous email, for the B/S that asks for an email when they got no business with one.
Sloogs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Mozilla has been bullied exactly this way in the past into implementing DRM measures I believe.
Maiznieks@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I already use ff and if there’s a site that requires drm to work, i don’t care for that site. They need visitors not the other way around.
azula@feddit.rocks 11 months ago
I don’t understand why others like Brave, Opera, Vivaldi…etc are silent on this big of a threat.
eldnikpw@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Phen@lemmy.eco.br 11 months ago
It will affect for some sites, not for others. You’ll no longer be able to bypass paywalls to read news, for example, because those sites will most likely adopt the DRM. Some streaming services may do the same, maybe even some social networks. But places like lemmy will still be generally unnaffected.
Nioxic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
All lemmy links to another site wouldnt work then… lol
azula@feddit.rocks 11 months ago
I really hope they cancel this
cheezoid2@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Yes, because it will implicitly discourage the use of any other type of browser
Kekzkrieger@feddit.de 11 months ago
Sites that implement it will drop traffic which will lower ad revenue which will mean less money.
If browsers that do not implement it gain a higher market share it might have them miss out on so much money that they don’t block the browser or not implement the drm.
it’s a battle of browsers now and i am happy to stand on the site of firefox.
azula@feddit.rocks 11 months ago
Seems like it’s much more than a discouragement
starman@programming.dev 11 months ago
I’m sure they will use it on their own products, so maybe it’s time to replace google products?
I will probably switch to protonmail when gmail won’t be accessible from firefox
empireOfLove@lemmy.one 11 months ago
It depends how websites choose to implement it, and how other browsers choose to implement it.
If Firefox et.al chooses not to implement browser environment integrity, then any website that chooses to require strict integrity would completely cease to work on Firefox as it would not be able to respond to a trust check. It sounds simply be dead. However, if they do implement it, which I imagine they would if this API actually becomes widespread, they should continue to work fine even if they’re stuck with the limitations on environment modification inherent to the DRM (aka rip adblockers)
Websites will vary though. Some may not implement it at all, others may implement a non-strict integrity check that may happily serve browsers that do not pass the check. Third parties can also run their own attestation servers that will report varying levels of envirnment data. Most likely you will see all Google sites and a majority of “big” websites that depend on ad revenue implement strict integrity through Google attestation servers so that their precious ads don’t get blocked, and the internet will become an absolutely horrid place.
Frankly I’ll just stop using anything and everything that chooses to implement this, since we all know Google is going to go full steam ahead with implementation regardless of how many users complain. Protecting their ad revenue is priority 1 through 12,000 and fuck everybody else.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s weird. The internet really seems to be pushing me not to use it these days.
empireOfLove@lemmy.one 11 months ago
Welcome to late stage capitalism. The free Fed money train is over, time to squeeze the plebians to death.
opt9@feddit.ch 11 months ago
Not the Internet, that is neutral. It is only one large corp that is trying to control the Internet. If everyone boycotts them, then they will fail.
joe@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I have a weak grasp of this, but a developer working on this responded to some criticism.
If the developers working to implement this are to be believed, they are intentionally setting it up so that websites would have an incentive to still allow untrusted (for lack of a better term) clients to access their sites. They do this by intentionally ignoring any trust check request 5% - 10% of the time, to behave as if the client is untrusted, even when it is. This means that if a website decides to only allow trusted clients, they will also be refusing trusted clients 5% - 10% of the time.
The relevant part of the response is quoted here:
opt9@feddit.ch 11 months ago
And what happens when they decide to revoke that 5-10% after they got everyone onboard?
calabast@lemm.ee 11 months ago
That sounds nice but there’s no guarantee they’ll implement it, or if they do, that they won’t just remove it someday down the road. This could just be a way for them to avoid criticism for now, and when criticism has died down a bit, they can just remove it.
gothicdecadence@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If this is the case then what’s actually the point?
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The developers working on this should not be believed and anyone who sees their resume for the rest of time should put it directly in the trash.
over_clox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Wanna talk about web safety? Yeah, et.al now comes up as a website link.
Thanks Google! Thanks for letting pretty much any .bullshit top level domain…
grue@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The grandparent commenter should’ve written “et al.” instead. The “alii” is the abbreviated part, not the “et”.
Agreed about the bullshit TLDs, by the way.
gothicdecadence@lemmy.world 11 months ago
How is that Google’s fault?
azula@feddit.rocks 11 months ago
Thanks for such a detailed explanation. I really hope firefox doesn’t follow through with this.
over_clox@lemmy.world 11 months ago
lemmy.ml/post/2481063
Littleborat@feddit.de 11 months ago
Hasn’t there been this thing that told you you are opening a sketchy website for years?
Why do we need more policing, who asked for that?
If you fall for some scam website then it’s on you. Don’t use the internet. The end.
nulluser@programming.dev 11 months ago
This isn’t about browsers blocking users from scam websites. This is about websites blocking users with browsers that remove ads.