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Australia Completely Loses The Plot, Plans To Ban Kids From Watching YouTube
Submitted 3 weeks ago by schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de to australia@aussie.zone
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Babalugats@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Ilandar@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Alternative title: The Internet Completely Loses The Plot, Claims Australian Government Plans To “Ban Kids From Watching YouTube”
a1studmuffin@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Is this social media under-16 ban going to be a problem for aussie.zone?
Nath@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Who: Yes, Aussie zone appears to fit the definition of a social media site.
What: “A provider of an age-restricted social media platform must take reasonable steps to prevent age-restricted users having accounts with the age-restricted social media platform.” Details are a bit scarce on “reasonable steps”. There’s a bit about how we are not to collect Government ID details though.
When: Presently December 10, 2025 but the bill is worded such that they are prepared to shift it.
Why: Protect the kiddies from the evils of the site. By the way, if you spot any actual bad content please report it.
How: and now we get to the big question. I truly don’t see how you’d enforce this on Lemmy. Even if a perfect system were introduced to verify everyone’s ages somehow, nothing stops people from shifting to a non-australian instance and just keep using the site. Or just spinning up their own private instance at home. Lemmy federation works a bit like email - imagine trying to stop kids from being able to access email. Again, I just don’t see how you’d accomplish that.
So, we’re doing what the government is doing. Keeping an eye on things and waiting to see how the big players respond. I’d love to see Facebook or YouTube to just go ‘nup’ and withdraw from the market. The public backlash would be insane and this bill would quickly vanish. People are asleep on this thing because they don’t really see it affecting them. Yet.
The UK has just introduced an age verification thingy, and it’s off to a poor start. The words are nice, but putting them into action is not trivial.
No1@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
nothing stops people from shifting to a non-australian instance and just keep using the site
We get to keep using the site AND traffic costs decrease for aussie.zone. Win-win!
melbaboutown@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
It’s going to apply to search engine sign ins and Spotify too
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
email is allowed and read only access is allowed, so if someone makes an email based posting/commenting frontend for lemmy you could host that and disable lemmy-ui /jk
Ilandar@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I’m not sure yet, but it sounds like Lemmy is within the scope of the legislation.
Key features of the SMMA include:
- Requires age‐restricted social media platforms to take reasonable steps to prevent Australians under 16 years old from having accounts (the minimum age obligation),
Under the SMMA, a platform is an ‘age‐restricted social media platform’ if (section 63C):
- the sole purpose, or a significant purpose, of the service is to enable online social interaction between 2 or more end‐users,
- the service allows end‐users to link to, or interact with, some or all of the other end‐users,
- the service allows end‐users to post material on the service, and
- it meets such other conditions (if any) as are set out in the legislative rules
Tenderizer@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
If, hypothetically, VPNs and Gary’s mod don’t work, and our favourite channels don’t move elsewhere … how many of us would be willing to hand over our ID to maintain access to YouTube?
melbaboutown@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
I’m not
Ilandar@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
You don’t have to hand over ID, YouTube (and all other services affected by these new laws) must provide an alternative for those who do not wish to use ID. If you’ve maintained an account for over 16 years, YouTube may also be able to use that data to pass an age assurance check.
vividspecter@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
Will anonymous access still be allowed? I remember there was some vague wording about logged in vs logged out in terms of search engine, which seemed to suggest that only logged in users would be affected.
Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
But how goods betting on sports?
joelfromaus@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
Betting may as well be our national sport.